New discipline = New wardrobe?

Well. I’m at this Buck Brannaman clinic and it seems there are some fashions.

I have some questions:

  1. If I’m going to ride in the arena with no cows, why do I need to put on the chinks and have rope on my saddle?

  2. Same for the vaquero hat (not an AQHA show shaped felt thing)… the arena was an indoor one with stands.

I did see a woman in a WP inspired ensemble. The pink shirt matched the pink saddle blanket and she chose Haflinger-mane-colored chinks to go with her horse.

Should I start buying stuff?

I guess it’s about turnout? I mean we wear breeches and tall boots, not because they’re the most comfortable things to wear.

The only thing I’ve done is bought some jeans (I don’t wear pants except to ride so I actually had to buy jeans). You know they’re the most comfortable things on the planet! I think even if I go English again I’m riding in jeans! These are some Wranglers with a little bit of stretch.

I still wear a helmet and I do have an eventer vest.

Paula

If you want to, sure.

The big broad hats are great in the stark sunshine.

If you’re never going to rope, who cares about a rope? if you might rope today but might not…then you want a rope. Being ready for whatever might happen next is a more Western frame of mind than English, where we like to change clothes, saddles, shoes, and everything else…

Well, a big part of it is trying to look the part. You know, the whole poser thing.

There was an impeccably dressed gal at a Buck clinic, riding in the afternoon H2 class that involved working cows and roping. Ideally, the horses should have been in a bosal, but many of them weren’t ready for that, so the majority were in snaffles. A few were in a two rein, one was in the bridle. You were expected to be in the equipment suited to your horse’s training.

Anyway, after about two days of watching Ms. Beautifully Outfitted struggle, not even being able to steer her horse straight over a 10 inch log on the ground (a good 20 feet wide), Buck told her she had absolutely NO business in a hackamore. And further, she needed to watch the morning class and get busy with THOSE exercises, as she was not able to do much of anything in the afternoon class. Which, by the way, were things like leg yield, haunches in, and a flying change over the jump.

If you ever go to a Buck clinic, ride in clean, well fitting and appropriate clothes and tack.
It is helpful to have slobber straps and a mecate rein, because you can learn to use them. You might never show with them, but there is a progression, and learning how to use them puts a pretty big ballast in your toolbox. (It took about two years for me to not have everything in a useless tangle. But now, I am glad to have them.)

And the rope…if you never rope a cow, you can again get a lot of horse-training usefulness if you go about learning to handle one. At the very least, you can go about getting your horse good with dragging a lot, and having the rope here and there around his body.
Again, it will take a while but once you have a basic ability, you can get a lot of things done that have nothing to do with the ability to rope cattle.

Same with the flag, by the way. I would be terribly embarrassed if I were at a horse show or event, warmed up without my coat, and my horse couldn’t handle to have someone hand me my coat without freaking out. Like, that is NOT a safe horse to be on to me, much less out of the round pen and in public!

If you are Buck, or Reata or Buck’s apprentice Isaac, you’re going to have to be ready for something extracurricular during the clinic. So having rope, chinks, knife in your belt, flag tucked away somewhere close, is what you need to be prepared. Sort of like being properly dressed to foxhunt if you’re a whip- you’ve got couplers (I think that’s the right term?) for errant hounds, wire cutters, and other accoutrement.

But yeah, some of those folks are the real deal, who DO dress that way so they can be fully prepared, even in an indoor arena. Others are learning, others are posers, and some have other equestrian pursuits involving breeches or spandex, so they have a different outfit.
But Aaron Vale rides in a mecate, lead rein tucked into his breeches, when he’s at a Buck clinic, if I recall correctly!

And, by the way, I bought a 5-inch brim, Sunbody “Reata” hat about two years ago.
I was really kind of afraid of being thought a poser. I am a DREADFUL roper just yet. I don’t want to be thought of as all hat, no cattle.
But then I had two thoughts:
One, I was going to drive the Peterbuilt water truck through the forest to water my cows. I was paying my dues, though it might not be in the same way as someone else. I’ve got some chops, though they may not be quite like “real buckaroo” chops.

And two, the hat is REALLY, really shady.

The best compliment I have had on my hat was from my doctor’s wife, who has a milk cow I help them with once in a while. I went over to AI breed their Jersey cow, wearing by buckaroo hat. Mrs. Doctor’s Wife was planting potatoes out in the sun, herself with a wide brimmed hat. She liked my hat, thinking it would be GREAT for planting potatoes in :smiley:

Fillabeana, I love your Sunbody hat story! I bought one too a couple of years ago and don’t ever take it off the farm. :slight_smile: It is great to mow in though, it is indeed very shady.

I did hear that having a rope on your saddle makes a very good handle to grab on a young or green horse, when the saddle horn is too big to grab, like some of those saddles are.
I just got done in a clinic where we used ropes to drag a tarp around, a very good exercise, as is dragging a log.

I ride in schooling chaps, but I think I might go back to my youth a bit and have some cool ones made with fringe. I used to ride western and rodeo queen back in the day and I’d like to go a little retro… even in my jumping saddle. I DID cave and order some stainless steel wrapped stirrups for my western saddle. :slight_smile:

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Poser Wear. And I wanted a Reata hat bad but I couldn’t justify it. Would I be a wannabe like so many people who loved a movie I haven’t even seen? And I don’t think I’m ready to give up riding in a helmet. Sigh.

[QUOTE=mvp;7069190]
Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Poser Wear. And I wanted a Reata hat bad but I couldn’t justify it. Would I be a wannabe like so many people who loved a movie I haven’t even seen? And I don’t think I’m ready to give up riding in a helmet. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

Well, hell no I’m not giving up my helmet! But they make velcro-on brims for helmets. They’re not straw like the Sunbody hats (I just googled and saw some) but they shade your face and neck. And you can take them off your helmet when summer’s over. You can also decorate them with nifty scarves or fake flowers or whatever you have nerve enough to wear. :smiley:

[QUOTE=mvp;7069190]
Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Poser Wear. And I wanted a Reata hat bad but I couldn’t justify it. Would I be a wannabe like so many people who loved a movie I haven’t even seen? And I don’t think I’m ready to give up riding in a helmet. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

Oh I plan to wear my CO and fringe. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=DLee;7069530]
Oh I plan to wear my CO and fringe. :)[/QUOTE]

I’ll rock that look, too.

Let’s be frank: I just want some ridiculously fringey chinks. I have wanted triple layer/triple long fringe on a pair of custom chaps since the 1990s. Then they went out of style. AND the chap-maker who made all the really pretty custom ones for the West Coast H/J crowd disappeared. (Also, one of the main measurers for her somehow ripped off a lot of people and either went to jail or disappeared).

But LO! I happened to meet that chap maker at a rinky-dink used tack sale in Eugene, Oregon. It was truly random, yet also an act of God. She says she has 5 filing cabinets of people’s measurements from back in the day.

[QUOTE=mvp;7069607]
I’ll rock that look, too.

Let’s be frank: I just want some ridiculously fringey chinks. I have wanted triple layer/triple long fringe on a pair of custom chaps since the 1990s. Then they went out of style. AND the chap-maker who made all the really pretty custom ones for the West Coast H/J crowd disappeared. (Also, one of the main measurers for her somehow ripped off a lot of people and either went to jail or disappeared).

But LO! I happened to meet that chap maker at a rinky-dink used tack sale in Eugene, Oregon. It was truly random, yet also an act of God. She says she has 5 filing cabinets of people’s measurements from back in the day.[/QUOTE]

It’s time!! :yes::yes:

OK, I just do not get Chinks. Never have, except as fashion. Chinks do not protect your calf from rubs, or jean bottoms from sweat stains, do not protect your lower leg from sharp brush, do not keep your legs warm in winter. What is it about Chinks?

Also, I saw folks with long lengths of colored, thick nylon/mecate-like rope tied up in a chain knot hanging down the near side ring where a hill girth would go. What’s that rope for?

[QUOTE=DLee;7069108]
Fillabeana, I love your Sunbody hat story! I bought one too a couple of years ago and don’t ever take it off the farm. :slight_smile: It is great to mow in though, it is indeed very shady.

I did hear that having a rope on your saddle makes a very good handle to grab on a young or green horse, when the saddle horn is too big to grab, like some of those saddles are.
I just got done in a clinic where we used ropes to drag a tarp around, a very good exercise, as is dragging a log.

I ride in schooling chaps, but I think I might go back to my youth a bit and have some cool ones made with fringe. I used to ride western and rodeo queen back in the day and I’d like to go a little retro… even in my jumping saddle. I DID cave and order some stainless steel wrapped stirrups for my western saddle. :)[/QUOTE]

I don’t quite understand what you are saying there, but if you mean to use the coiled rope there as a nightlatch, in a pinch, you can’t do that with a properly hung rope.

Ropes are extremely dangerous, people have been killed in rope wrecks, where the coiled rope snagged them and didn’t turn loose.

You ALWAYS tie the coiled rope not in use where you need to tie hard and fast with a thin leather string, so if the rope happens to get hung on a tree or fence post, or you on that rope, the string will break and the rope is not firmly attached to a horse that may be leaving the situation in a hurry.

Years ago, a friend at a branding, on a break, put is small boy on his horse to walk around, the horse spooked, the kid started to fall off, his foot slipped thru the rope and the horse dragged the kid to death, because the string didn’t break with the light weight of the little kid.:cry:

Rope safety is very important.
If you are going to have a rope around you, do please learn how to handle it.
Your life may depend on it.

Bluey, I am properly impressed by the power and danger of ropes, so I take your point.

Also, green-horsers, why would you grab rope or horn when you have mane right there?

I have never understood the (supposed) preference for grabbing a piece of equipment to save my bacon when I could “cut out the middle man” and grab directly onto the horse.

God put the mane there on the same day he gave the horse the ability to buck… just trying to keep the odds even for a good match.

In any case, when I teach people I make a huge point of telling them to grab mane, not saddle horn. That even starts with taking a handful while they are preparing to mount. I want to make this natural for them so that in a potential wreck, they go for the mane and not the saddle horn.

I don’t reach the mane, unless I am bareback, too small for that.:lol:

Then, I don’t grab anything, either ride thru anything or get off, with or without help.
The horn just gets in my way, if a horse may act up or stating colts, I ride my English saddle.:yes:

I would have to be riding 12 hands horse to be proportionate to standard sized western horses as most taller riders are and be able to reach out there and grab the mane.

Bluey, just how short are you, on a good day?

I’m 5’1" and I have short little T-rex arms. I, too, find saddle horns to be in the way, and I have a close contact saddle with geometry that is superb for me… it’s a postage stamp, but I feel most secure in that thing and it’s my go-to colt saddle.

I have to lean forward to grab mane, I can grab the nightlatch and still stay centered or back. If things have gone to hell enough that I feel the need to grab something, I don’t want to be leaning forward.

Chinks are good when it’s hotter than hell and the main thing that needs protecting is your thighs. Different parts of the country came up with different ideas on human leg protection because they had different needs.

Yes, chinks are great for chaparral-type places. Hot, and all manner of scratchy plants grabbing at your thighs.

[QUOTE=Bluey;7070155]
I don’t quite understand what you are saying there, but if you mean to use the coiled rope there as a nightlatch, in a pinch, you can’t do that with a properly hung rope.

Ropes are extremely dangerous, people have been killed in rope wrecks, where the coiled rope snagged them and didn’t turn loose.

You ALWAYS tie the coiled rope not in use where you need to tie hard and fast with a thin leather string, so if the rope happens to get hung on a tree or fence post, or you on that rope, the string will break and the rope is not firmly attached to a horse that may be leaving the situation in a hurry.

Years ago, a friend at a branding, on a break, put is small boy on his horse to walk around, the horse spooked, the kid started to fall off, his foot slipped thru the rope and the horse dragged the kid to death, because the string didn’t break with the light weight of the little kid.:cry:

Rope safety is very important.
If you are going to have a rope around you, do please learn how to handle it.
Your life may depend on it.[/QUOTE]

I don’t ride with a rope, but this was just told to me last weekend at Mindy’s clinic (not by Mindy, but I might ask her). I’m not sure how this guy had his rope on his saddle. But the basic gist was that the rope or the cantle was the best thing to grab if your horse went to bucking or spooked big. I don’t ever grab mane except maybe over a jump because I don’t want to tip my weight forward to do that.