New Dressage organization/Will Faerber/Art2Ride

[Akogler]

Yes I remember you from our messages :/) I just put in there about living in the area for general knowledge. Yes, Amber had him on CL. No one bought him so she just dumped him. A woman found him pretty much abandoned in a dirt lot and paid a little money to just save him. She didnt know his history. Her trainer did. I rehabbed a horse for that trainer (who was also a short term client of Will-the trainer was in our aisle as well) they knew he was a mess and gave him to me.

We both saw first hand the disasters at that barn

That lovely mare they have is going through the same hell. Always excuses, shes always lame in their videos, no riding videos for over a year. Its so damn sad.

[belgianWBLuver]

Ick ick ick, I’m catching up in COTH and reading this thread.

Does Art2ride still actually exist?

[blue_heron]

Yeah, they just posted some crappy piaffe video on Facebook bragging about how relaxed this mare is* and how she’s developed so well over the years**.

*Mare is visibly agitated, busy in the mouth, tail swishing, and uneven.
** Mare has made absolutely zero progress in time they’ve had her.

[belgianWBLuver]

I can’t find this on FB. All I see are links from 2022. Can you send a link?

I spent 4 years living and working in Portugal. I never heard of this guy being a N. OLIVEIRA student. I thought I new most of the Americans who trained with him. Paul Belasik, etc.
Strange…

[Akogler]

Oops i take it back, yes, a new video of Karen and the mare. Meh.

[Akogler]

She was gorgeous and lovely when they bought her as a three yr old. The lies they tell as to her issues and failure to thrive are ridiculous. They blame the breeder, the shipper, the footing, the farrier, the tack….

Poor lovely mare.

[Akogler]

Neither can anyone else, including Bettina. Any photos or any proof of this incredibly deep father son relationship they supposedly had was lost in a fire, or flood, or some Act of God, so sadly, no evidence of those life changing weeks/months/years/ afternoons ( it was always fluid) remain.

Seriously, everything that guy says is a lie.

[blue_heron]

It’s in their private FB group, so even if I share a link to the post you won’t be able to see it without joining.

Art2Ride Fans & Followers | Facebook

[belgianWBLuver]

Ok thx, yeah no I don’t need to see it that much

[belgianWBLuver]

Nope, this guy never had a father son relationship with Sr. Oliveira. That was reserved for his beloved son Joao. The Maitre ( master) mostly taught women. There were a few men but the number of women outweighed them.

It was incredibly difficult in the 1980’s to have a lesson or lessons with him if one did not know him. I was lucky enough to groom for D. José d’Atyayde, one of his students and was able to watch a few lessons.

I think this man is a total fraud.

[TheDBYC]

On a bit of a tangent; why does it seem so many of these scammer, flimflam artists choose poor Nuno to try to associate themselves with? Enough separation by way of time and geography that they’re less apt to get caught in their lies?

[Scribbler]

@TheDBYC

On a bit of a tangent; why does it seem so many of these scammer, flimflam artists choose poor Nuno to try to associate themselves with? Enough separation by way of time and geography that they’re less apt to get caught in their lies?

It’s interesting.

Nuno appears to have been a bit of an enigma and kept to himself in later years, so more “silence” into which to project your own lies or fantasies. He does seem to have been very talented and walked his own path, which many untalented people who walk their own path find inspiring (they think correlation equals causation). And of course Nuno was one of the conduits of what’s known these days as classical dressage, dating from before competition dressage changed some of the parameters. The most widely circulated videos of him show slow precise lateral work at the walk. Also although he was a gorgeous young bull fighter type at 20, by the time of those videos he has lost a lot of physicality and is a bit hunchy (like you see in some old cowboys too). This is inspiring to people with bad position and posture who again misunderstood causality.

So yeah, poor fellow has become the touchstone for a lot of frauds who would horrify him.

If you slouch, set yourself up as a lone wolf genius, and don’t want to ride past a walk, you can find things there to support your delusions.

[Dr_Doolittle]

NP (cough)

[merrygoround]

Whoever “Candy” is, on the April 21 post. Mentioning the ARICP as ln the same staure as USDF, and USEA, and newly formed USH/J org exam groups indicates a complete lack of equine educational knowledge.

Will Faber, Pat Parelli, Anderson Cooper, our very own NP, they come, they go, but unfortunately not without disseminating poor training methods.

[Akogler]

She mentions it as an org that attempts a standardization of knowledge, not as equivalent to our own governing bodies.

[smoofox]

@merrygoround

Will Faber, Pat Parelli, Anderson Cooper, ur very own NP, they come, they go, but unfortunately not without disseminating poor training methods.

Anderson Cooper?

Pat Parelli was actually good once upon a time - before Linda, before all the hype, before the stupid Savvy “conventions”. I went to two of his clinics about the mid 90s. Just him in his truck and trailer at small local arenas. A few halters and stuff for merch. About 10 riders and maybe 25 of us auditing - if that. The guy really was good. Those 3 day clinics were amazing and he worked with people and their horses well into the night. NO gimmicks. No nonsense. Just horse sense and horsemanship. That man with that understanding of people and horses got completely lost somewhere along the way and became caught up in his own awesomeness, groupies, endless merchandising, hoopla and disciples. Not even close to the same guy I spent hours with in a cold arena back in Claresholm, Alberta circa 1994(?)…

[blue_heron]

Pat Parelli is such a brilliant example of Guy Who Drinks His Own Kool-Aid.

@merrygoround I think she was trying to appease to the sentiment in that group that so many trainers want cause harm to horses or tell people that they can’t ride their horse and they should buy a better horse for the trainer, etc. A lot of the Art 2 Ride people seem to be paranoid about governing organizations such USEF and the like and want to put trust in something outside of that. So a weird certification body is right up their alley.

[merrygoround]

The

From my observations, the ARICP standardizes little or no knowledge.

aricp

[BrownDerby]

Same here. Pat got his clinic start in my town, where his old rodeo partner runs a boarding stable. Pat was honest then, even told one participant to sell his horse before he got killed.

Dennis Reis is another who started out good; as a teen he rode rough stock for a race breeder friend. But now yikes just non-stop carnival barking, like PP.

[Paint_Party]

@smoofox

Anderson Cooper?

Hmmm… Maybe they meant to type Clinton Anderson?