New driving cob- what should I be looking for when buying a harness?

Hello! I have a 3 yr old Gypsy cob gelding that we’d like to break to drive. We have done a lot of ground work and ground driving before we climbed in the tack! He’s been very lightly started under saddle walk trot and basic steering, as he came to us fairly rude and with few manners. So he just needed a bit of a “job” to keep him out of trouble! He’s been the nicest baby to break, very willing and thoughtful and learns quickly. He’s a curious, quiet and personable neat little gelding and I think he’d be a cool riding and driving boy! I’ve attached links below for a few photos of our lil man Jasper.

What should I look for when buying a harness? Brands? material?, etc? We’re looking for something economical at this point to make sure it’s something we want to do before we make a large investment. And once I get a harness will work on getting him comfortable working in that and then I have a local trainer that’s going to help us further his training on getting him hitched and going!

Learning to lunge- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=851932054625&set=a.847103920245.1073741831.45403986&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2Fr270%2F965963_851932054625_1571296831_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2Fr270%2F941130_851932054625_1571296831_n.jpg&size=1536%2C2048

Ground driving- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=883914237075&set=a.847103920245.1073741831.45403986&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn2%2Ft31%2F1147055_883914237075_334001038_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn1%2Ft1%2F1004835_883914237075_334001038_n.jpg&size=2048%2C1536

Trot- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=955226616495&set=a.671842799935.2118609.45403986&type=1&theater

Riding (he’s just a doll, one of the barn kids riding him bareback in the snow, he’s just a peach and quiet as a lamb)- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=952072956455&set=a.574637180775.2096390.45403986&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2F1493461_952072956455_967886998_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-frc3%2F1526468_952072956455_967886998_n.jpg&size=2048%2C1536

I love leather…yes, it can be a pita to clean, but if you do so a few times a year in front of the tv, get a good harness cleaner/conditioner, nothing will hold up longer.

Look at the seams, is there any fraying? How is the harness itself? Does it fit well? Is there any breaks or cracks in the material? Is it dry? Where was it kept?

Bio-thane is great to clean…you throw it up on the fence, soap and water, then rinse and let drip dry. Once dry you take a little armorall and spritz, take a soft clean towel, rub and shine then put away. Holds up well too.

Bio-thane lines are nice to drive with, stay well in your hands. I urge you to stay away from Ebay, as you don’t get a lot of great harness off of there, often times it is cheap and doesn’t fit like they say.

Try www.draftsforsale.com and go to their harness section…you can often find a good serviceable harness you can teach your cutie to drive in then once you got it down, you can think of a nicer harness.

You probably want to first measure the horse, get his sizes, before you start looking for harness. You try to get buckle to fit in the center hole of billets from saddle, traces, backstrap. This lets you have room to shorten or lengthen as horse gets fat, then fit, or grows. Cobs tend to have large bone, so may take quite a while to FINALLY finish growing, especially geldings. Could be 6yrs before he is about done. So keeping that in mind for harness, what fits now, may not fit well in a year or couple years with his “mature” figure.

This site shows you where to measure, so you have sizes to put against harness you look at.

http://www.smuckersharness.com/pg3.html

Most folks go with breastcollar harness, it fits him fat, fit, as he grows. Neck collars need to be WELL fitted, to be comfortable, usable, and neck sizes can change a lot over a season. That can call for owning two or more neck collars to cover his body changes. Gets expensive, because nice collars in quantity are not cheap.

What you really want to check is the harness hardware, buckles of QUALITY, with heavier STEEL tongues. Tongue of buckle is what takes the stress and strain, so they need to be able to take a load, not bend inside out. Cheap hardware often has wire-like buckles, coated buckles that rust fast, don’t stand up to time or much use.

Leather has a lot of good features, does take a bit more care than the synthetics. You would probably like BETA biothane, over plain biothane. The Beta stuff is quite leather looking, matte finish, softer to the feel, holds up pretty well. Plain biothane is much more shiny, often thin strapping, can have sharp edges. Both are a good material, easy upkeep synthetics. Nylon harness can be good or bad, depending on who makes it. Box nylon harness often has cheap hardware, stiff strapping, bad proportions that don’t fit any horse. Cheap price though. Tedman nylon harness is great stuff, soft strapping, wonderful stainless hardware, but comes at a much higher cost. There are other nice harness makers of synthetic harness out there. Easy care is the big seller, since often they are no cheaper to buy than leather. I can wash my Tedman harness in the washing machine, hang it to dry. While our leather harness is all hand cleaning and conditioning to do it up right. Often you can find used harness at good prices, which is easier to start with, see how horse develops before investing in better quality stuff.

Country Carriages USA has often been recommended on here before, by very satisfied customers. She often has used items, ask about harness. They are VERY helpful to beginners.

http://www.countrycarriagesusa.com/

Welcome to the fun of having a Driving horse.

I changed the measuring link in post above, it didn’t show to measure for a breastcollar.

Carriage Driving breastcollars USUALLY have buckle ends, so traces can be adjusted or changed, depending on what kind of singletree is on your vehicle. Cheaper to get a second pair of traces, than an entire breastcollar. Being able to adjust trace length is also very helpful because shaft lengths can differ and need length changes when using different vehicles.

Thank you for the advice! I thought I would prefer leather. But I will check out the Beta biothan too!

I realize that as a 3 year old he still has a ton of growing and changing to still do. So at this point I would like to find a SAFE harness that doesn’t break the bank- knowing that down the road we will probably end up needing to get something else to fit him when he is mature.

Leather is best for all occasions BUT it does take ages and ages to clean and is an expensive purchase. With care, it will last forever. For daily use and training, the synthetic harness is good enough.

I just got this harness. It’s synthetic but has a nice feel and look to it. Can’t wait to try it on my pony. http://www.chimacumtack.com/

I go the deluxe breastcollar. Black with the brown padding. Looks cool!

Please post pictures when you do! :slight_smile: What kind of pony do you have?

My guess is he has a fair amount of growing to do. If that is accurate I would buy something that allowed plenty of adjustments to go bigger

Zilco harness with a double hangar breast collar. And get all carriage parts(buckles&snaps) in stainless steel.
Zilco will have measurement charts to help you.

Thank you for all your replies!

[QUOTE=goodhors;7398370]
You probably want to first measure the horse, get his sizes, before you start looking for harness. You try to get buckle to fit in the center hole of billets from saddle, traces, backstrap. This lets you have room to shorten or lengthen as horse gets fat, then fit, or grows. Cobs tend to have large bone, so may take quite a while to FINALLY finish growing, especially geldings. Could be 6yrs before he is about done. So keeping that in mind for harness, what fits now, may not fit well in a year or couple years with his “mature” figure.

This site shows you where to measure, so you have sizes to put against harness you look at.

http://www.smuckersharness.com/pg3.html

Most folks go with breastcollar harness, it fits him fat, fit, as he grows. Neck collars need to be WELL fitted, to be comfortable, usable, and neck sizes can change a lot over a season. That can call for owning two or more neck collars to cover his body changes. Gets expensive, because nice collars in quantity are not cheap.

What you really want to check is the harness hardware, buckles of QUALITY, with heavier STEEL tongues. Tongue of buckle is what takes the stress and strain, so they need to be able to take a load, not bend inside out. Cheap hardware often has wire-like buckles, coated buckles that rust fast, don’t stand up to time or much use.

Leather has a lot of good features, does take a bit more care than the synthetics. You would probably like BETA biothane, over plain biothane. The Beta stuff is quite leather looking, matte finish, softer to the feel, holds up pretty well. Plain biothane is much more shiny, often thin strapping, can have sharp edges. Both are a good material, easy upkeep synthetics. Nylon harness can be good or bad, depending on who makes it. Box nylon harness often has cheap hardware, stiff strapping, bad proportions that don’t fit any horse. Cheap price though. Tedman nylon harness is great stuff, soft strapping, wonderful stainless hardware, but comes at a much higher cost. There are other nice harness makers of synthetic harness out there. Easy care is the big seller, since often they are no cheaper to buy than leather. I can wash my Tedman harness in the washing machine, hang it to dry. While our leather harness is all hand cleaning and conditioning to do it up right. Often you can find used harness at good prices, which is easier to start with, see how horse develops before investing in better quality stuff.

Country Carriages USA has often been recommended on here before, by very satisfied customers. She often has used items, ask about harness. They are VERY helpful to beginners.

http://www.countrycarriagesusa.com/

Welcome to the fun of having a Driving horse.[/QUOTE]

Hello goodhors,
Very informative post. Just wanted to see if I could help clear a few small things up regarding Biothane. First, thanks for the kind words about Biothane Beta coating. I agree with you on the Beta recommendation. As you mentioned, Beta is matte finish and soft to the touch. The plain Biothane you mentioned is our Gold coating…which is glossy. Each of these are coating classes, and all are available in a variety of thicknesses, so one could get the exact same thickness in Beta and Gold(shiny)…and thus…the same edges. They probably will feel different as Gold is not as soft.
Hope that helps.
Also, all Biothane is made right here in the US. It’s a 2nd generation family owned business that is very good to us employees.

Scott Hanna
Biothane Coated Webbing
www.biothane.us

Thank you for the details on biothanes. I am most familiar with the Beta type, used in the driving harness. The shiny stuff I see is on ridden horse tack, some VERY OLD driving harness, when biothane first came out and was all narrow, thin strapping. A lot of Draft folks, horses and ponies, use the shiny biothane for their harness these days to get the sparkle going. Sure a lot lighter than leather to handle!

Carriage Driving is kind of conservative, so we prefer the matte finishes, while other Driving folks love the shiny stuff for their activities. Just depends on how you use your animals with your carriages, buggies, carts or wagons. All the strapping is strong and wears well.

You have greatly expanded your offerings as time passed!! We thank you for that. Helps make life easier in time savings of harness upkeep and horse comfort.

[QUOTE=goodhors;7683549]
Thank you for the details on biothanes. I am most familiar with the Beta type, used in the driving harness. The shiny stuff I see is on ridden horse tack, some VERY OLD driving harness, when biothane first came out and was all narrow, thin strapping. A lot of Draft folks, horses and ponies, use the shiny biothane for their harness these days to get the sparkle going. Sure a lot lighter than leather to handle!

Carriage Driving is kind of conservative, so we prefer the matte finishes, while other Driving folks love the shiny stuff for their activities. Just depends on how you use your animals with your carriages, buggies, carts or wagons. All the strapping is strong and wears well.

You have greatly expanded your offerings as time passed!! We thank you for that. Helps make life easier in time savings of harness upkeep and horse comfort.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the kind words. Wish I could take credit for it:). The reality is Biothane Coated Webbing is a family owned business that gets most of our new product ideas from users like you. We truly appreciate it. Keep them coming!!
The other nice thing is all Biothane is made right in our plant in Ohio. Also, I do believe we are the only company in the world that focuses totally on coating webbing and being the best at it. Every other company that coats webbing does it as a side business. For us, it’s the only business. We don’t make harnesses. We leave that the expert harness makers that make it with Biothane.

I love, love, love my biothane harness! I had leather for one pony and got biothane for the current one, and couldn’t be happier with the current harness.

Rebecca