New horse-help!!

[SecondInCommand]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8137623]
To corgif

When we freejumped him it was to determine scope and ability as well as soundness, and he did it with front and back boots on good footing with a proper warm up as well as cool down. And the 6 foot course was at his last barn before i bought him i was only there to watch. He is perfectly sound, slightly cocky (actually- very cocky. But were working on it), so hes confident, and he does have the ability. With a rider thats more confident at bigger jumps then i am, hes happy and willing to do whatever you point him at. I am not at the level where i am comfortable at that height, as i only switched from dressage 4 ish years ago. And i realize that will take many yaers to get there, it at all, because horse back riding is an unpredictable and dangerous sport. When i asked the question i was looking at years in the future, and it was slightly a random question because my trainer mentioned it and i was curious.

To everyone else
And for more information on him, hes only been to one show but ive been to many. He was born and raised at the barn i bought him from, so i know this. He was broken then abandoned by his owner and shesurrendered him to the barn owner. Hewas left in the pasture for 4 years and then was under saddle again for 2 weeks before he was taken to the show. Understandably, he did not do well. He was put in the pasture for another 5 months then i began riding him. We did well for about 2 months before i was thrown and had a concussion. Well with the concussion the doctors found another medical condition and bam i was in the OR and couldent ride for 6 months. So after that i started riding him again and after another 3 months we moved. That was when we purchased him. He passed the vet check, and he came to our new home. He got in shape again and about a week ago he got shoes for the first time. He didnt mind at all. Now we are schooling meter jumps (thats about as high as i can go for now) and he loves it. He stands for vets, dentist, farrier and ships well. And im 18. And just a reminder- he only did the course once and not with me. I am lookin at the future. And ill try to get a video or picture up[/QUOTE]

I’m a little confused by the timeline above. It seems like there are four distinct periods where this horse was under saddle before he was purchased, and he was purchased after the huge jump school. Those periods:

1. As a 3 yo with his previous owner
2. 2 weeks, ridden by ?? after sitting in a field for 4 years
3. 2 months, by the OP, after sitting in a field for 5 months
4. 3 months, by the OP, after sitting in a field for 6 months

Allowing for suspended disbelief and giving the OP a massive benefit of the doubt, who on earth that has the skills to jump a horse to this height would find any of the above windows an appropriate time to do so??

Also, what kind of knowledgeable seller, upon finding out that their sale horse can jump a 6’ course with virtually no under saddle experience, doesn’t then sell this horse for seven figures?

I tip my hat to the posters above who have shown great generosity of spirit. This thread seems like a social experiment. :rolleyes:

[Belmont]

[QUOTE=starhorse;8138397]
He’s listed as still owned by Tayler Cobb. It also says his sire/dam are unknown in the USEF registry… and he’s a Thoroughbred cross? Other google hits come back that he’s 16.1.

Cute horse, regardless.[/QUOTE]

I found sire & dam on USEF. They are both based out of CA, though the horse doesn’t seem to actually be registered under them anywhere but USEF. It is a Holsteiner X DWB/TB cross, according to USEF. You can do a horse search on both parents. The Dam has never been USEF registered. The Stallion has, but he is not for this year. He is owned by the Montana’s.

[Didi]

Whilst I am as amused and confused as the rest of you, I am also concerned (as I am certain many of you are, too). OP is going to make a new video of this poor horse going over a 6 foot course when the latest he appears to have done is 2 feet??!!! Nevermind whether or not he has potential to do GP - he is going to be completely ruined and probably permanently lame within the next 6 months!!

Yikes!!

[ParadoxFarm]

[QUOTE=Didi;8138985]
Whilst I am as amused and confused as the rest of you, I am also concerned (as I am certain many of you are, too). OP is going to make a new video of this poor horse going over a 6 foot course when the latest he appears to have done is 2 feet??!!! Nevermind whether or not he has potential to do GP - he is going to be completely ruined and probably permanently lame within the next 6 months!!

Yikes!![/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing. OP, I would NOT try to prove anything by free jumping this horse high. If you have video, great, but don’t go over jump this horse. i don’t think that’s fair to your horse that you love.

[starhorse]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8138701]
When I got him he was not doing changes. He had to be taught those. And i am quite sure Tayler does not own hin any more.[/QUOTE]

I’m just telling you what his USEF number says. You might want to change it, if you plan to show him.

As for his parents, they’re just not listed as his sire and dam under his number. It just says “unknown.” I didn’t look to see if they’re registered at all.

Given that you said he’s 17 hands and his old ads say he’s 16.1, I’m guessing we’re going to have a difference of opinion about what a 6 foot fence looks like, too.

[grandprixer1]

So when I said I would make a new video, I did not mean I was going to do a 6’ course! I was planning on free jumping him anyway. I do it often because I only lesson two or three times a week and he likes to jump, but I don’t jump without a trainer, so I free jump him. I have never tested his limits at it, I usually keep it at about 3’. And I am not going to take him out of the blue and randomly jump him uber huge. The video was made a while ago and he is fit now and more prepared. We are regularly jumping at about 3’. On occasion we have moved the jumps up to 4’ just to change it up, but he loves big jumps and can do 4’ with a rider easy. So those of you that are concerned, don’t be. He is not totally unprepared, nor am I, and I always jump with front and back boots in great footing. If he is struggiling, I wil not push him, even if it means that I don’t get the video. Because it’s his health and safety that matters, not proving something. But don’t worry, he is not unprepared. And I was planning on jumping him anyways.

[eclipse]

I’m so confused by the you tube video of the “green horse”… It shows a posted date of only 1 year ago, with a horse that looks very young and just started going over 2ft3 jumps… But the horse you say you have would of been at least 7 a year ago and if capable of 6ft would look much better muscled and powerful than that one!

Crap on a cracker, a horse jumping around 3ft is more muscled… That horse in that video looks like a 4 year old…WHY would they put up an old video if it was that much better?

[starhorse]

[QUOTE=eclipse;8139095]
I’m so confused by the you tube video of the “green horse”… It shows a posted date of only 1 year ago, with a horse that looks very young and just started going over 2ft3 jumps… But the horse you say you have would of been at least 7 a year ago and if capable of 6ft would look much better muscled and powerful than that one!

Crap on a cracker, a horse jumping around 3ft is more muscled… That horse in that video looks like a 4 year old…WHY would they put up an old video if it was that much better?[/QUOTE]

The video says he’s a 2007 baby. Video from 2013, so he was 6, I guess. If you click “show more” it’ll give you a bit more info about him:

Coconino AKA: Pez Volante
USEF Show Name: Pez Volante #5291247
Green Hunter / Jumper / Eventing Prospect
2007 16.1 hh Chesnut Gelding by Chaka Khan
Lead Changes, Clips, Loads, Ties, all around wonderful ground manners.
Brave and Dependable. Jumps anything.
Needs to be finished and start his career.

[Equitational]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8139081]
So when I said I would make a new video, I did not mean I was going to do a 6’ course! I was planning on free jumping him anyway. I do it often because I only lesson two or three times a week and he likes to jump, but I don’t jump without a trainer, so I free jump him. I have never tested his limits at it, I usually keep it at about 3’. And I am not going to take him out of the blue and randomly jump him uber huge. The video was made a while ago and he is fit now and more prepared. We are regularly jumping at about 3’. On occasion we have moved the jumps up to 4’ just to change it up, but he loves big jumps and can do 4’ with a rider easy. So those of you that are concerned, don’t be. He is not totally unprepared, nor am I, and I always jump with front and back boots in great footing. If he is struggiling, I wil not push him, even if it means that I don’t get the video. Because it’s his health and safety that matters, not proving something. But don’t worry, he is not unprepared. And I was planning on jumping him anyways.[/QUOTE]

Umm, so the 7’ is shrinking to 4’ and the 6’ is shrinking to 3’. Your heights in this recent post seem MUCH more realistic and logical.

I was just curious to see whatever old videos she has of him, to determine how high he WAS jumping.

PS. There is big discrepancy between your local MiniPrix or ‘national’ Grand Prix versus an FEI Grand Prix (or World Cup/Olympic that are maxed out). We have “miniprixs” that can be a 1.15M or smaller regional GPs a 1.40M. But in my mind, a GP horse would be 1.45M+ horse.

[grandprixer1]

Yes, the heights are a lot lower in the recent post. That is becuase I have been riding him and I am not able to do 6’. And as for the 7’, we were testing him. I free jump him at 3-4’ because he likes it and it keeps him fitter then he would be without It. And we were not testing him, it was just a nice easy height for him.

[eclipse]

[QUOTE=starhorse;8139107]
The video says he’s a 2007 baby. Video from 2013, so he was 6, I guess. If you click “show more” it’ll give you a bit more info about him:

Coconino AKA: Pez Volante
USEF Show Name: Pez Volante #5291247
Green Hunter / Jumper / Eventing Prospect
2007 16.1 hh Chesnut Gelding by Chaka Khan
Lead Changes, Clips, Loads, Ties, all around wonderful ground manners.
Brave and Dependable. Jumps anything.
Needs to be finished and start his career.[/QUOTE]

This is makes more sense! OP you have a very cute green horse… There is no need to exgatterate what he’s doing, as the video shows, a green horse jumping a pile of rocks is worth his weight in gold… He’s cute, I just don’t see GP jumper but I do see a lovely child/ammie friendly youngster enjoy and love what you’ve got, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him!

[eastendjumper]

I’m hoping to get a little clarification regarding the sale from the Cobbs; Nicole (not familiar with Gregg) is a well respected, well connected professional with A show success. Let’s say, for arguments sake, Nino was jumping 5 - 5’ 6" courses at home with them. If they thought he had GP potential, all it would have taken is one phone call to any number of big barns in Oregon to sell him at his full 7 figure value. Rich Fellers would have scooped him up. Could it be he has the ability to jump that, but for whatever reason, should NOT be jumping that height, something the Cobbs might have been aware of, soundness, mentality, etc? It’s just not lining up for me that a horse with that extreme level of talent would end up in your hands. Not to be a hit to you at all, OP, but you’ve admitted yourself you’re a dressage convert fairly new to jumping, and his video shows a horse appropriate for someone like that, not someone looking for their next GP horse.

I’ve totally been in your shoes, too, by the way. Is he your first horse? He is super cute and I’m really happy for you for getting him, but recognize there is just as much value in bonding with and working with your very own, cool, very special horse as finding a diamond in the rough, Snowman type that miraculously goes GP. And don’t ever go up against the Cotherati with smudged facts, ever! They will be all over it. Just check out any number of the “favorites” threads

[PaintPony]

I don’t think the OP can keep her story straight because she is making it up as she goes along.

[grandprixer1]

This is kind of random… But have you guys ever heard of the olympic horse platinum? I think that is what his name is… I believe he competed in the olympics like 8 years ago. And if I’m wrong tell me!

[Equitational]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8139294]
This is kind of random… But have you guys ever heard of the olympic horse platinum? I think that is what his name is… I believe he competed in the olympics like 8 years ago. And if I’m wrong tell me![/QUOTE]

You mean Sapphire? Liver chestnut with chrome? it was a mare ridden by McLain Ward?

[grandprixer1]

No, its a dapple gray gelding. I don’t know who rode him in the olympics, but now he is owned by Heidi Austin-root

[BostonHJ]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8139081]
I was planning on free jumping him anyway. I do it often because I only lesson two or three times a week and he likes to jump, but I don’t jump without a trainer, so I free jump [/QUOTE]
OP, I am not getting into the “is this a GP horse”
debate because I’m pretty sure it’s not worth discussing. That said, since you are new to jumping perhaps you have not heard that jumping less is better than jumping more. Jumping twice a week for a horse this age is plenty; as he progresses, he can/should jump even less. Quality flatwork or hill work would be much more beneficial to him than free jumping. I don’t know anyone who free jumps their horses often.

[grandprixer1]

Total he jumps 3 maybe 4 times a week. Often does not mean every day.

[supershorty628]

[QUOTE=fishjumper;8139332]
Total he jumps 3 maybe 4 times a week. Often does not mean every day.[/QUOTE]

That is a LOT of jumping.

[grandprixer1]

Not at like two jumps every time…