New Proposed Rule to Protect Prefixes, and Suffixes on Horses and Ponies

I would be fine with retaining the prefix as long as I could change the actual name. I have dressage ponies and the names some people choose are way too juvenile for me as a 30 year old adult to want to show. My mare’s prefix is two letters so I wouldn’t be too arsed to keep it (though I named her registered name so I am fine with it, most buyers don’t buy a 4 week old foal at side) but if I had to keep some of her siblings’ registered names I would absolutely be dropping the name entirely to get a better name on the horse.

I’m not showing a horse named “gingersnaps” as a grown adult.

I’m not really eventing anymore but I do have to say it got tiresome to see “fernhill” and “Cooley” everywhere when they’re just horse dealers. And you might as well have just put $$$ in front of the horses name since that’s what it meant anyway. Can you include anything in your proposal to protect yourself from people like that gluing a dealer name onto a horse they didn’t breed?

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personally, I do not think this should be monitored or policed by USEF.

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Currently, the USEF allows for the registration of and apparently “monitors”: Farms, Corporations, Syndicates or Partnerships…so why not prefixes?

When a member pays a fee to register their prefix (not unlike the above) then it shouldn’t be a problem.

And I may.

BUT, I’m going to try. Nothing is achieved unless one tries.

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I agree with this! I always thought it was a bit on the underhanded side to do this as traditionally the prefix meant the breeder. There was a really popular New Zealand farm that started the trend many years ago, but I don’t remember the name. In NA, Raylyn farms does it too I’ve noticed.

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Prefixes show respect for the breeder and offers recognition. I think they should stay. A good trainer advances the horse, but without the good horse to begin with they would not get far.

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I believe that registration of farms, corporations, etc. is for ownership purposes the same way an individual must be a member to register their horse as the owner. The farm name does not have to be exclusive and would not transfer with the horse and is not meant to offer identity protection to the farm.

From what I understand you are proposing that USEF enforce restrictions on breeder prefixes and name changes for the protection of breeders. IMHO, that is within the purview of breed organizations but does not belong with USEF.

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Regarding your post on the farms, corporations, etc., my point in mentioning them is the ease that the USEF has in that particular registration process. The prefix process wouldn’t be any different than that.

No, the USEF isn’t a breed organization (like the Welsh Pony & Cob Society, for example) but it encourages its breeders to record their foals in the year of their birth for a discounted fee and in speaking to Ken Ball, head of Horse Services, (we had a lengthy conversation), he was behind it 100%. He suggested me proposing a new rule for it, so here I am.

FWIW, and a bit of a derail, but I was at a show recently where the announcer kept leaving off my horse’s prefix when they announced her name despite it being written clearly on all my entry info. I had even confirmed it with the secretary.

I’m assuming it was just a rookie announcer mistake; but still annoying for breeders.

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I’ve had the opposite problem. The given name was decent and I kept it. The prefix sounded like an 8yo came up with it. I kept the prefix for the few line classes we did to give recognition to the breeder, but when I passported the horse (with EC since I’m Canadian) I dropped the prefix. A couple letters or numbers don’t bother me, most prefixes sound cute on ponies, but I like a sophisticated name on a 3’6" AO hunter. If someone has questions about the horse they can ask me.

Personally as an owner, I prefer suffixes. My current 2 horses, as well as my prior had suffixes, all farm initials. I have kept them all and show with them. I am grateful to the breeders for my wonderful horses, and I hope we make the breeders proud. I would hate to have to add a long prefix however.

I believe the majority of prefixes are for ponies.

I have to agree, I’ve heard some horrid prefixes.

Signed as well. I am all for the voluntary registration and permanence of the prefix for breeders that want to use one… now owning a horse registered with the Connemara Society, I find it extremely convenient to have the registered prefixes when researching bloodlines. Some are easier to figure out, others (such as intials-only prefixes) take a little more poking around to figure out, but it’s a nice and easy way to figure out who the breeder is and where the horse came from.

My own horse does not have a prefix as her breeder was just your average mare owner that decided to breed, and had no reason to use or register a prefix with ACPS. However, her name still sounds like it was picked out by a child…and I will likely change it before she starts her show career. :lol: I would have no problem keeping a prefix or suffix if she had one.

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I feel strongly that this needs to be left to the breed and registry organizations and I actually feel the word “protect” in the proposal is a bit misleading. Here are my reasons:

  1. A quick look at the naming conventions of the various warmblood registries soon reveals each has its own naming conventions. Often this regulates the first letter of the horse’s name. Many change the first letter from year to year (KWPN). In some cases, the first letter depends on the sire or the dam (GOV, AHS). So, a prefix which might work for a pony or Morgan won’t work for a warmblood.

  2. Many warmblood breeders get around the first letter regulation by using a suffix. So, you say, we can simply register the suffix! Unfortunately, no. Several breeders have the same suffix. I can think of three who use CF, two who use WF, two who use WT, several who use MF. You can bet the first thing they’ll feel pressured to do – though of course the plan laid out describes it as optional – is try to register their suffixes with USEF in order to preserve their suffixes for their own use.

  3. What seems like an option to register the suffix really becomes an imperative. Breeders who have used a suffix for years or decades will feel compelled to register that suffix in order to keep the right to continue using the suffix, a suffix they may well share with other farms. In the proposed system, only one breeder can officially “own” the suffix with the USEF, much like a domain name. The proposed rule change just doesn’t work for warmblood breeders.

  4. What happens to those breeders who lose out? If someone else registers their suffix (or prefix) before they get the chance, are they forced to use another name? If someone registers WT before Wild Turkey Farm gets a chance, are they supposed to use WTF?

  5. Among warmblood breeders, there’s also a naming convention that allows owners to change the prefix. Blue Hors Romanov becomes Glock’s Romanov, etc. This custom would seem in direct contradiction to the proposed rule change. How would this rule change deal with those breeders and buyers?

  6. If a buyer or owner doesn’t like a prefix or suffix and aren’t allowed to drop it, they may pass on buying the horse or choose to scrap the registration (including the breeder info) and register the horse under a new name, this time with “unknown” breeding. Of course, the breeder’s connection to the horse is lost. Many of us are comfortable letting our buyers know they can rename the horse or even drop our suffixes PROVIDED WE’RE LISTED AS BREEDER ON SHOW ENTRIES.

  7. Being listed as the official breeder of the horse is enough for me. I don’t expect it to be announced at shows. I want it on all official documents, however. If someone likes the horse, I want the rider or owner to be able to say I bred the horse (not, having felt compelled to scrap the papers and listed the breeding as unknown, to feel she must say she doesn’t know).

  8. How about fining people who try to change or lose the suffix or prefix? That won’t work either, since they’ll likely just just choose the less expensive route and rename the horse anyway, which again results in loss of the breeder and the breeding. (See #7).

I’m a warmblood breeder. I’ve bred and registered horses with the GOV/ OHBS, KWPN-NA, AHS, and Dansk Varmblod since 2001. Based on my experience, I feel strongly that, while this proposed rule change would work well for pony breeders, it fails to serve warmblood breeders at all. I think it’s safe to say warmbloods field more divisions, in a greater variety of competitive disciplines, than ponies (including the Olympic disciplines). Please don’t attempt to make warmblood breeders obey the naming rules of a pony breed. This discussion is and should remain within the purview of registries and breed associations.

The USEF has made great strides recently to regulate one horse/ one number. I’m happy as a breeder to have my name associated with that number. I don’t think we need to regulate prefixes or suffixes to get that done, not with the almost certain inevitability of life numbers and microchips being required by all breeds, registries, and disciplines.

One horse.
One number.
One breeder.

That works for me.

Sincerely,
Kendra Hansis

If anyone from the USEF or any other organization wants to discuss this with me, just email kendrahansis@gmail.com

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applause I really don’t have anything to add. Kendra does a great job summing up why this proposed “rule” is honestly just completely ridiculous.

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@RunningwaterWBs I completely agree. You stated some of my feelings better than I could.

So you admit there are horrid prefixes out there? But you want to force owners to keep them?
Go read Kendra’s post, she did a great job of illustrating why the general horse show population isn’t interested in this.

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As a breeder who lost track of a superstar youngster after he was sold (devastating) I understand the desire of VB (of course from a different viewpoint in this case). I tried tracking the owner (who is a pro) down, searched her USEF records to try to piece together what happened to him…

The proposal allows the new owner to change the name to anything they want, but keep the prefix/suffix- did I read that correctly?

I lament that we are in a position to feel like we need proposals such as this. If new owners would register the dang horses/ponies and leave a trail as they are supposed to do- maybe this wouldn’t be as big of an issue. yes- the winner may not have XYZ in front of it- but it would be traceable.

It is disgraceful (and for some of us heartbreaking).

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This proposal doesn’t actually do anything to stop owners from simply reinventing the horse as a complete unknown though, thereby losing not only the prefix, but also the breeding and breeder information that should follow the horse. The only thing it does is attempt to force pony naming conventions down the throats of every other breed and discipline encompassed by the USEF. It punishes the longtime programs of many warmblood breeders who often share prefix or suffix letters, and, if this “rule” passes, would presumably have to change the naming conventions they have been using for years and that their program is recognized by. It’s truly just absurd. One horse, one number, one breeder. That’s what matters.

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