New Proposed Rule to Protect Prefixes, and Suffixes on Horses and Ponies

Yet lobbying to regulate the way the rest of us name our horses is just fine…

As to the second piece above, my point was that demanding epowers reveal her experience as a breeder is irrelevant – every USEF member has the right to weigh in, regardless of their status as breeder or owner. Throughout this thread you seem more focused on undermining epowers’ authority than hearing her very valid opinion. Ironically, one of her points is that you’re not listening to the ideas shared here if they’re at odds with your own.

I agree with those who’ve raised microchipping as the real solution here. Breed registries can require each horse registered gets a 15 digit microchip. Microchipping is now required to verify the age of horses in USEF age-specific h/j classss. I suspect it’s only a matter of time before it’s required for all horse. The smart breeder will take care of the paperwork for each foal bred, ensuring that his or her name is always associated with the horse – as breeder – on the registration that will always be associated with the microchip.

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Yep, microchipping is the way to go. Besides tracking sire, dam and breeder, it is a way of verifying age, which is important when trying to get a permanent measurement card. It also prevents a horse or pony who has been shown on one coast from suddenly appearing on a new coast with a new identity and suddenly eligible for the green division again. :wink:

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When you sell a horse, you give up any rights to it. That includes its name. The best way to make sure you don’t get your prefix/suffix dropped? Sell quality horses that people are proud to own. There is a reason we see so many fernhills and it’s not because of some rule holding the new owners to keep that name. It’s because the fernhill name has become something to be proud of. (And yes, I know they aren’t breeding those horses)
Its heartbreaking to lose contact with a horse you love and brought into this world. But no suffix is going to help that. Micro chipping is the best way to keep track, but the truth of the matter is that for every horse you breed that makes a name for itself there are 5 that become local show kings or backyard trail buddies. No prefix, microchip, or organization is going to stop that.

I feel that the real reason you want this rule isn’t because it might help with keeping track of horses, but because you want prestige when one of your horses wins. Whether or not that is acceptable is a debate for another day. It doesn’t matter what you named your horse. If it’s owned by someone else now, they can call it whatever they want. The best thing you can do for your business and for the futures of the horses you breed is to breed the best horses you can. If you make a quality product, people will happily keep your name.

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OP has clarified several times here that her real beef is with the fact that she might not hear her farm name announced over the loudspeaker at horse shows every time a pony she bred walks into the ring, so continuing to point out that microchipping will solve the problem as she originally presented it will continue to fall on deaf ears. This rule proposal is clearly borne out of pure emotion rather than logic and I just can’t imagine a scenario where the USE would ever consider implementing a rule that would dictate how owners must name their own property.

OP herself even admitted that there are some awful prefixes out there, yet failed to recognize that many potential buyers might feel the very same way about the prefix that she is so eager to force down every one of her buyers’ throats. Yikes.

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I hate my horse’s name. The first half is the farm name and the second half I don’t like either. It would have been a world better if the farm had used their initials instead of the whole name. With that said, that was his name when I bought him and I wouldn’t change it because it’s an extension of his breeder’s hard work and it defines who/what he is. I chose a barn name I like, and since I only show about once a month during the season, I only have to hear his full name very infrequently.

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It can’t keep people from intentionally losing papers/breeding. I do understand that it’s a personal choice (names are). I totally get that and that’s pretty much my point.

:confused::confused::confused::confused: (scratching head hard)

But once you sign a bill of sale, it’s no longer YOUR personal choice. If you actually got that, you would not be proposing a rule that allows you such a significant say in the horse’s name after you have transferred ownership.

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VB seems to be distinguishing between the ‘prefix’ and the ‘name’. To me, they are one and the same. If the prefix is included in the ‘name’ field, it’s part of the name.

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Bottom line for me is this: I’d have to see a lot of nice horses with a certain prefix or suffix before it would mean anything to me. And if I see a horse I really like, I’ll find out who the sire and dam are…which means more to me than a tag on a horses name.

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Maybe it’s my breed show background, but I would NEVER change a horse’s name, no matter how much I might personally dislike it. I don’t understand people who change their animals’ names after purchase. I’ve also always subscribed to the superstition that it’s bad luck to do so.

Many breeders do use very specific naming conventions for their horses, even if an official prefix or suffix isn’t used. The name can indicate to observers by whom and how the horse was bred, even if the announcer doesn’t name the breeder specifically (though I would prefer it if that were done, too). I personally wish USEF would do what most breed registries do and allow name changes for a (usually very high) fee ONLY if the horse hasn’t yet earned any points in recognized competitions or sired/produced any offspring, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.

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Posted from an earlier FB post of mine: There is a petition circulating to request that USEF mandate that breeders farm name or initials can’t be removed from horse’s USEF registered name. I think it is worthwhile to share some other perspectives. As it is written, it is perfect for Welsh ponies as it mimics their Welsh registry requirements, but it does not fit all other registries or traditions. I applaud efforts to improve our industry and breeders, and I provide a respectful summary of my concerns with the petition while appreciating the efforts put in to it.

Firstly, personally I want buyers to keep my breeder suffix. I appreciate that it helps breeders build a reputation in the industry and gives recognition to breeder efforts. However, buyers pay a lot of money for horses and once they do, I think they should have the ability to change the name. We should educate the industry on the importance of breeder prefix and suffix so they want to keep it, but I don’t think we should add rules to force it upon the buyers. When buyers decide to keep breeder suffix/prefix, I think it shows great respect and it is very appreciated, but are we entitled to mandate that recognition (and marketing) when the horse is sold and the breeder was paid for it?

In Europe, owners often add their name to the front of the horse’s name to reflect the owner investment in the development of the horse- Glocks Toto or Blue Hors Romanov comes to mind. I have seen this in the US too, and maybe this is growing in the US warmblood scene more, where owners put their name or prefix on the horses in their barn. If they bought and are developing and investing in the horse too, why not? One of the petition leaders felt it was really poor taste for an owner to add a prefix if they aren’t the breeder, but I counter that this is not uncommon for warmbloods from Europe. I can see how it is misleading if the welsh ponies only use the prefix for breeding and they may not understand the traditions of other breeds- but it furthers the point that this “one size fits all” petition just isn’t right for USEF or the US horse industry as a whole as it stands.

The petition as written further doesn’t account for differences in breed registries: some registries say the “breeder” is the owner of the mare when inseminated whereas other registries say the “breeder” is the owner of the mare when she foals. If USEF starts regulating breeder names, which “breeder” would get lifetime naming rights? Would USEF have a mediator to pick in instances where the horse isn’t registered with a breed registry? There would likely be added fees associated with control of prefixes and suffixes, and who wants more USEF fees? Where does it end- If USEF starts mandating naming requirements, will that spill in to other naming restrictions? No more renaming your OTTB or QH (you know some of those names are not PG rated for your kid to show! Lol!)

I sincerely hope that buyers want to keep breeder prefix/suffix in the horse name if the horse was USEF registered with it, but it’s much more important to me that breeder information is registered and maintained in USEF (with the microchip) so it is associated with the horse for their lifetime. One horse will have one number assigned for life and tracked via microchip- which will include easily searchable breeder info. In my humble opinion (from my personal breeder and buyer perspective), US breeders should register and microchip their foals to ensure that their breeder info is associated with their foal forever instead of relying on buyers to add breeder information or pushing USEF to mandate naming requirements that may be off putting to other breeders or buyers. I appreciate that everybody has their unique perspective and may not share this opinion.

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I’d much rather see a rule that requires the breeder, sire, and dam to be listed for all registered horses. That way, the breeder still gets credit, but owner can change the suffix, prefix, etc. Some of those are pretty bad, to be honest. I have changed horse names, and have sold horses I bred where the owner changed the name - that is pretty common. A name is very personal - and I think an owner should LIKE their horse’s name! But I do wish USEF would require the sire/dam/breeder to be included - and if the horse is REGISTERED, that information is available. It bothers me when I see that information dropped or changed.

Personally, I don’t want a horse named Struttin’ Brandy Fancy Golden Aura Delightfullest. But I don’t mind having the breeder announced or listed in the program!

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Good post, Halfhalting.

I totally forgot that different registries define “breeder” differently. I know someone who was a little embarrassed to accept an award for a foal from a mare he bought already bred. He didn’t arrange the breeding, but since he owned the mare when she foaled, and that’s how they defined “breeder”, he got the breeder award.

But USEF is NOT a breed registry. It is a horse show association. If Breed registries want to make rules regarding breeding and naming that is fine. I don’t think that or a requirement that they track breeding belongs with USEF’

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I understand that. Thus my “I don’t see that happening anytime soon” comment. But I would still prefer that name changes not be allowed.

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