Keep up the pressure
Link does not work.
It looks like it is only partially blue, the end is black which would mean it would need to be pasted on.
I’ll try it again
There’s some formatting in the URL throwing things off. Go to the Epona TV site and to the “greenwich mean time” editorial.
(maybe this link will work)
Thanks Caffeinated!
Substitute the word “carriage horse” for “dressage horse” and it sounds like the same old RARA mantra.
Do you think maybe it might be time to start focussing on what was good–and there was a lot that was good, and that good in the main triumphed–rather than continually harping on about a system that is quite obviously losing traction with riders and trainers?
The reason that the extreme RK/tense horse brigade won in the past wasn’t because judges were going out of their way to reward them, it was because, like it or not, they were still presenting a better test than the supposedly more tradtionally trained horses that were shown in front of them, within the framework of what the judges are allowed to judge–“best of a bad lot” if you like. That simply isn’t the case any more.
Just think how far ahead of Adelinde’s score Charlotte would have been without that unfortunate bobble at the end (Adelinde’s test, while not my cup of tea, was pretty much error free.)
Right on, ATR.
I get the feeling that some people are even a bit dissappointed that there is so little to complain about. :no:
desperately searching and searching for very brief bad moments rather than celebrating what is good.
I do find it strange they don’t want you to video or be able to see the warm up…
They should allow you to video the warmup if you want… From a reasonable distance.
I agree with this.
I read an article the other day from one of the classical trainers and he said “I have nothing to hide.”
This should be the case for everyone. But I dont feel like this Olympics was filled with hidden abuse either.
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They should allow you to video the warmup if you want… From a reasonable distance.
I agree with this.
I read an article the other day from one of the classical trainers and he said “I have nothing to hide.”
This should be the case for everyone. But I dont feel like this Olympics was filled with hidden abuse either.[/QUOTE]
I guess we don’t know if it was filled with hidden abuse, so we? Since it was all hidden behind screens and abusive officals… If they don’t have anything to hide. Obviously they do. The tiny bit of undercover stuff has shown that. Restrict the public to a reasonable distance and let the public in. Nothing stops bad things faster than the light of day. Nothing grows mold and bacteria faster than darkness…
I agree with the above…
I honestly don’t care a crap how good a test is if the training of the horse is less than appropriate. We really need to reevaluate the whole point of dressage. Isn’t it to present a well trained horse that was trained thoroughly, not a horse who has the moves because of short cuts?
Every time I get pissed at Dressage riders I go and watch a Pedro Torres video. That makes me feel better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk
That is what our aim should be.
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Right on, ATR.
I get the feeling that some people are even a bit dissappointed that there is so little to complain about. :no:
desperately searching and searching for very brief bad moments rather than celebrating what is good.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t complain about the very brief bad moments if the FEI weren’t back in the barns poking our jumpers in the leg 50 times and then barring them from competition because they lifted a hoof. It’s all or nothing—they can’t overzealously protect the welfare of the horses in one sport while neglecting the others.
I like to see warm ups, but I guess it could ruin the drama. Or maybe competitors want it to be closed. I don’t think there is necessarily a nefarious reason for not making the warmup public. And maybe they were just hoping to keep the focus on the competition ring?
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I like to see warm ups, but I guess it could ruin the drama. Or maybe competitors want it to be closed. I don’t think there is necessarily a nefarious reason for not making the warmup public. And maybe they were just hoping to keep the focus on the competition ring?[/QUOTE]
I’m so glad you said this - I love to watch truly top level riders warm up their horses. Watching the ride they start with move to the ride they show with is so educational and my vote would be that every show make that possible - even the Olympics.
I posted this in another thread about rk (or lack of rk or whatever)…but I was lucky enough to watch a top American rider warm up a young horse at a show last February. He actually moved her into a deep-low position and then asked her for her topline from there. He may have been posting the whole time and he was never harsh, her mouth did not gape, her jaw did not cross. He added some shoulder fore and leg yields and when she started to move freely over her top line he let the reins slip out and picked up a more typical contact that everyone on this board would recognize from him. If anyone had taken a picture of him in this warm up it would have just looked like the horse was btv - but I don’t know for certain that anyone would scream rk! I asked in the other thread if anyone thought this was how rk started - that maybe it was really useful to the training before it became too harsh…
I just want to add that I don’t think this video Epona put out is helping the conversation. The video doesn’t show anyone breaking an FEI rule - the clips are too short. Because it doesn’t provide anything ‘actionable’ all it is doing is adding froth to a heated topic.
To be heard we need to not sound crazy.
(for the record, I have stated my dislike for PK’s and AC’s riding in other posts so please don’t respond as though I’m advocating that style).
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I wouldn’t complain about the very brief bad moments if the FEI weren’t back in the barns poking our jumpers in the leg 50 times and then barring them from competition because they lifted a hoof. It’s all or nothing—they can’t overzealously protect the welfare of the horses in one sport while neglecting the others.[/QUOTE]
Needs a like button…
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I honestly don’t care a crap how good a test is if the training of the horse is less than appropriate. We really need to reevaluate the whole point of dressage. Isn’t it to present a well trained horse that was trained thoroughly, not a horse who has the moves because of short cuts?
Every time I get pissed at Dressage riders I go and watch a Pedro Torres video. That makes me feel better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895K-Xjupk
That is what our aim should be.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%.
The clip shows great training for what it is. To me, it is not dressage and not what I aspire to. Don’t like the lack of flexibility - no frame change and no lateral bend - or the headset.
And of course we dont know how that horse was trained either!
Keep in mind that the 3 Day Event trot-up inspections were closed to the public, in part, because of the security demands.
