New spin on "a forage-only diet isn't nutritious enough"

For many years I’ve talked about how few, if any, forage-only diets can provide enough nutrients for most horses. Some come a lot closer than others. Many fall quite short in 1 or a couple important areas.

But this is a whole 'nother level of “not enough”

https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2018/09/15/hay-only-diet-horses/

What’s important to note with this study is something I don’t think we’ve talked about before, and not sure I’d even heard, which is this:

It seems that many micro and macro minerals are less available to the horse from a hay only diet than when the hay is fed together with a fortified feed,

Not just that they might not be getting enough from what the hay tests as having available, but that they aren’t DIGESTING to even that level.

Interesting. The study specifies hay. Do you think the same applies to grass, or is the absorption of nutrients easier from grass? Certainly some vitamins disappear when grass is dried. Of course that’s assuming the grass or hay has adequate mineral levels to begin with. Our local hay doesn’t.

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What kind of “hay” was that, I wonder?

As above, was that just “hay” they were fed and in a few weeks only, it seems?
How about pasture most of the year green, the rest dry pasture grasses complementing the hay?

Metabolic studies in humans have shown that going only by digestive output is not that good a measure of how we use nutrients.
Depending on results by only measuring manure would restrict the results considerably, over also using blood work.

Interesting study, but it brings more questions than it answers, I think.

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I don’t know, but it’s a good question.

The article does talk about macro nutrients, which pretty much don’t degrade in dried forage. The key here though isn’t what’s not there, or is unbalanced, in the forage. It’s that the digestibility of certain nutrients is less, when the diet is only forage, than when supplements is fed. Not total amount consumed, the digestibility increases, when extras are fed.

This means there’s some sort of symbiotic relationship between forage and a fortified feed. Is that because forage has too little of certain nutrients, or is unbalanced enough, that absorption is decreased? Or is there something else that is keeping digestibility lower?

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Fat? For humans a bit of fat helps to absorb nutrients in vegetables.

But afaik there aren’t fat-soluble minerals, just certain vitamins.

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I remember making a very similar statement on this forum and basically being told I was a fool. :rolleyes:

Glad science backed me up.

Bottom line: it’s hard to get “stuff” out of plant cells without processing. Even more difficult when you remove all the water.

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I hear what you’re saying, and for sure, the more the forage is overly-mature, the more those nutrients are bound in indigestible fiber.

But that doesn’t really speak to this statement:
“It seems that many micro and macro minerals are less available to the horse from a hay only diet than when the hay is fed together with a fortified feed,”

So regardless of X hay (type, age, ADF, NDF, etc, I assume) the digestibility of the nutrients increases when fed with a fortified feed.

That’s not processing the hay, that’s adding to it.

In cattle, when they are in winter pasture, the equivalent of hay, but it is still standing there, has not been baled, we know that if we add a protein source, cattle will utilize more of whatever nutrients of all kinds are in that mature grass, as per many studies over decades.

In that situation, adding protein is what changes how much of all else is being properly utilized.

It would not be surprising that other nutrients may have such an effect and in horses.

Partial quote from OP’s article:

A study published last year by Waltham, which provides the science underpinning the Spillers feed brand, in collaboration with Michigan State University, discovered that feeding a hay-only diet resulted in reduced digestibility of calcium, magnesium, copper and zinc.

…the hay diet was lower than the other two diets for fat intake, amount digested and percent of apparent digestibility. However, perhaps most importantly the apparent digestibility for various macro and micro minerals (including key trace elements) was consistently lower when fed the hay diet compared with the other two diets.

“It seems that many micro and macro minerals are less available to the horse from a hay only diet than when the hay is fed together with a fortified feed,” said Spillers research and development manager Clare Barfoot.

Look, we all know that some horses, older horses, horses with heavy work loads, pregnant mares, may need other feeds, fats, or supplements to stay healthy. I’m not disputing that. But I have a few comments about this study and the scientific value of it. There are several glaring problems which pop out at me and I am not a scientist by any measure, so it would be interesting to hear from some of you who are.

First of all, the study was done by company employed by the feed manufacturer, and that makes me skeptical. Saying that it was done “in collaboration” with a respected university doesn’t mean anything because the collaboration could mean something as simple as Waltham getting data from the school; who knows what that means?

Second, a result saying that something is “lower than” is meaningless scientifically. Sugar is lower in fat that butter – that doesn’t mean I should eat a bunch of sugar. Of course a low-quality forage is going to have less fat and minerals than a feed concentrate; are we really surprised to read that hay, which is very fibrous, is “lower in fat intake, amount digested and percent of apparent digestibility”? Isn’t that the whole point of feeding hay? If the horse is getting what it needs from the hay that is all that matters, and although this study pointed out “less than,” it didn’t address sufficient at all.

There have been so many studies done, respectable studies, which show the benefits of a high forage diet, and which clearly demonstrate all sorts of different benefits ranging from heat production in the gut which occurs during digestion of hay and is a benefit in cold weather, to good dental health from the even wearing of teeth in horses which eat a high forage diet, to reduced ulcers and colic incidents, and on and on. How many posters have problems with their easy-keepers who need a low-quality hay to maintain their weight while being able to have something to eat more than twice a day?

Bluey pointed out another problem with this study, which was the lack of information on the type of hay. I cannot keep my Thoroughbreds in good weight with grass hay, but alfalfa works well. This gets back to the whole concept of sufficient, and that makes me wonder about excessive, which is a whole 'nother subject.

I think this study is little more than a cleverly-worded advertisement.

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I’m sure the feed companies were thrilled with the study but I know I’ve had the hay tested that my gelding gets and last year it was low in calcium, zinc, copper and high in magnesium and iron. This years was higher in calcium but still low in zinc and copper and high magnesium and copper.

The minerals in hay was what I thought the study was referring to. I guess some are lucky enough to have good hay that provides all of them in the right ratios but mine sure doesn’t.

YES, that is what this study is getting at.

Forget how much of X nutrients are in the hay. We all know that varies by type, growing conditions, and maturity.

Forget how a given horse digests X nutrients in Y hay. We all know that can decline with age.

What this study is saying is that it’s only when you ADD nutrients, that the digestibility of existing nutrients in the hay is improved. If they are using the hay as standalone, then adding fortification to that same hay, the nutrient content of the hay (type, cutting, maturity) is irrelevant.

Not that the overall diet is more balanced, or is higher in nutrients. That the nutrients in the forage are better-digested when there are external nutrients added.

And that’s what I’m wanting to know. What are the details - is it just adding more protein that makes, for example, calcium from hay better absorbed? I’m guessing it’s not that simple. I don’t want to extrapolate that being the case for a ruminant, into a single-stomach animal.

This study isn’t referring to “hay does not have all the nutrients a horse needs”. Most of us know that and have stated that for years, myself included. One only has to look at a variety of analyses and compare that to the NRC, and you see it usually falls short either outright, our in certain balances/ratios.

We used Moor-Mans to, after testing our grasses every fall once mature, then buy the right kind of protein supplement that fit that year’s grass profile.
It is a well researched are of nutrition in cattle, with nutritionists for different feed companies formulating all kinds of supplements.
My understanding, in those situations, protein was the most important factor to fully utilize what the grass was offering in volume.

After about six years of that, we had a standard profile for our grasses and didn’t bother testing any more, as it was always within the same parameters.

Most producers have for decades used plain cottonseed cow cake, either 32% or 20% protein, with some basic minerals and vitamins for our region added, that every feedmill sells.

I would guess that, other than large regional differences, it would work in similar ways for horses, knowing where the hay was raised, have an idea about what supplement would fit that best, without needing to micromanage to the exact figures of each hay itself and still hit it close to right, as so many do today?

Alfalfa is an exception, as in itself it can be a complete feed for mature horses, more than most other hays will provide.
For growing horses, no, the calcium/phosphorus ratio is not correct, need to add something like oats to balance that.

But again, there are 2 distinct issues:

1 - adding fortification to balance the forage, whether to bring levels up to requirements outright, or bring rations up to requirements as a balance.
2 - improving digestibility of the forge by adding nutrients which is what this is talking about (and what apparently adding protein to the ruminant forage diet does)

2 very different things.

For #1, of course the ideal is to test the forage, and add nutrients at amounts and ratios that bring the total diet up to par

How do we know they aren’t just getting those nutrients from the fortified feed? I’m confused as to how this is verifiable.

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In the article they mentioned the percentage. So I am thinking on the hay only horse if there is 100 mg of zinc in the hay and they only get 60mg of digestibility that is 60%. If for the hay and fortified feed the zinc fed is 200 mg but they get 150 mg of then it is 75% digestible verses only 60%.

I could also see if they are testing for zinc that the fortified grain does not have added zinc so if the horse goes from 60mg to 75mg out of that same 100mg then the digestibity of the zinc increased by adding the feed even if the available zinc didn’t increase.

“the hay diet was lower than the other two diets for fat intake, amount digested and percent of apparent digestibility. However, perhaps most importantly the apparent digestibility for various macro and micro minerals (including key trace elements) was consistently lower when fed the hay diet compared with the other two diets.”

The first 2 bolded items go without saying - big duh.

It’s the 3rd, italicized item which is of interest, and the point of the study.

“apparent digestibility”. What % of each nutrient tracked was digested. That % increased when things were added to the hay. Not just the total amount, but the total percentage.

Was anyone able to find the actual published study? I haven’t been able to. Makes it hard to evaluate.

The reference link provided in the article goes to an abstract, apparently for a poster or presentation presented at the 2017 Equine Science Symposium. https://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-…244-7/fulltext

The conclusion of that abstract: “However, the HAY diet consistently had lower macro and micronutrient digestibility compared with the other 2 diets. The CHO and FF diets were typically not different. These data suggest that non-working horses may require supplementation if on a hay-only diet…”

[Aside: If you search the Journal of Equine Veterinary Science for “Comparison of nutrient digestibility between three diets for adult and aged horses”, the above abstract is the second result. The first result is a full paper, “Comparison of nutrient digestibility between adult and aged horses.” From what I can gather, both the paper and the poster/presentation are gleaned from data from the same experiment. So, if you have access to that paper, you can get a bit of info on the methods… The hay was Timothy. :slight_smile: ]

However, I don’t think that the conclusion of the abstract is the same as what Clare Barfoot is claiming in the article. And if we can’t see the methods and data because they’re not yet published, it’s really difficult (impossible?) to sort out.

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Well, but wait. Now I’m all confused. :wink:

With a ration of hay only, there would be one apparent digestibility of whatever mineral.

With a ration of hay + concentrate (or whatever), you have digestibility of that mineral from hay plus digestibility of that mineral from concentrate - as one percentage. How would you know if the percentage went up because the digestibility of the mineral in the hay improved, or if you just added a second, potentially higher, digestibility of the mineral from concentrate?

My brain’s not working quite to full capacity. Just running out of work to go home and feed my fat ponies! :wink:

Here’s the abstract the article references
https://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-0806(17)30244-7/abstract

I can’t copy/paste from it, but the right column is what we’re talking about.

Of important interest is the diet of hay + carb-rich concentrate had a lower NDF intake, than either the hay-only diet, or the hay + fat/fiber-rich concentrate diet. This is IMPORTANT. The % NDF digested

The hay-only diet had a lower apparent percentage digestibility, but there was no significant difference in the 2 hay + diets in apparent digestibility. Just a lower overall intake of the hay + carb diet, relative to the others.