New to Endurance- Questions :)

I am doing my first endurance ride over the 4th of July. We are doing the “beginners” ride, 15 miles.

I have been steadily conditioning my horse over the past 4 months and I think we are READY!

My questions are:
1.) What would be a good time to complete the 15 miles in (as a beginner?) We are up to riding 3 1/2- 4 hours, mostly walking but trotting for appx. a quarter of that time.

2.) How do you measure mileage on the trail? The maps of the trails I mainly condition over seem to suggest that we are doing 12-15 miles in appx 3 hours. Does that seem right? The maps are poor at best, but it seemed reasonable to me.

3.) What should I take with me during the ride? And if I am using a western style saddle are cantle or pommel bags best?

4.) What is the trail etiquette for passing. I KNOW the 25 & 50 milers will be passing us at warp speed :smiley: Is it like bicycle riding where you stay right and they pass on the left? Or will they (ideally) call the side?

Anything else you want to tell a newbee would be great too. I am not sure endurance riding is something I really want to get “into.” I really just like to leisurely trail ride, but this will be a good learning experience for my horse seeing all the other riders, horses, and hoopla!

  1. Depending upon the terrain, 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Your average speed should be anywhere between 6-7 mph. PLEASE don’t plan to spend a lot of time walking. The walk is harder on a horse because you are constantly sitting in their back 100% of the time. If you trot, you give your horse a much needed break as you’re only “down” on their back every other stride. Plus the natural rebound (kinetic ) effect of trotting means they have less muscle work to do. Walking requires effort of all four legs to lift and move forward with very little to no kinetic energy to help, which is tiring.

  2. Miles are measured by a GPS, either hand held or wrist held. Or, if you are familiar enough with your horse’s mph gaits, you can extrapolate distance based upon a steady speed.

  3. Take water with you. And raisins or an apple if you think you’ll get hungry. 15 miles isn’t that far, but if the day is hot, water is always appreciated. A small pommel bag is easier to access than a cantle bag.

  4. Ride Management shouldn’t put the intro ride with the LD or Endurance divisions. So I doubt whether you’ll even encounter the other on the trail. You don’t have to be on the lookout for other riders; just pay attention to the trail and your pace. If someone comes up on you and wishes to pass, they’ll let you know. All riders MUST WAIT until the trail is open enough to pass safely. No rider is allowed to interfere with another person’s ride under the rules of elimination, and if that means tailing behind a rider until an opening on the trail presents itself, then wait they must. You MUST yield to an oncoming rider as long as the trail allows. They should let you know if they want to pass on the left or right, but passing on the left (as you would do for vehicular traffic) is the norm. You simply move over, turn your head and smile and nod, or say OK, when they are good to go past. Endurance riders are generally very polite, and thank yous are both given and received.

I think you’ll have more fun than you anticipate! :wink: Just relax and tell yourself this is nothing more than a glorified trail ride with a time limit. Go prepared to enjoy the day, the trail, and the fun of meeting new people whose sole aim is to enjoy the day every bit as much as you. :slight_smile:

Thank you gothedistance!!

I know the terrain of this ride is going to be pretty hairy. (It’s the Master the Mountains ride in Tionesta, PA) I have been over a portion of the trail on a different horse, and while we train over some rough trails, this is going to be a big wakeup for my horse! I am not so worried as he is a Baywatch V son, is in very good condition, and LOVES the trail, but this will be his first big ride in company (outside of a show arena!)

Thanks for telling me about the trail etiquette. I actually plan on holding back and leaving after most people have already gone ahead. Since I do not know the ride course I was worried about the longer distance riders “lapping” us and having multiple people passing. I just want this to be a positive experience for my horse mostly.

Apparently I need to get one of those GPS devices :wink: Can you recommend one?

I use a Garmin Forerunner 201…but I’ve been doing this sport a long time, so my electronic equipment reflects my usage of that outdated model. :smiley: Just go to your local sports store and check out their GPS models, see what you like, and go for it. You’ll be able to use it training as well.

Hi LS!

I’m the ride secretary for the MTM ride and welcome!

I think you’ll find that Cinnamon (the ride manager) is going to allow a rather generous optimum time for the Introductory ride, so 6-7 mph, which is a good goal for getting around your first LD (25-35 mile) ride, you can probably take it a little slower at this ride if you feel you need to do so.

Best to learn the ropes, get a feel for the sport, enjoy the trails and see what it is all about.

We’ll have a new rider briefing and promise to make sure we get your questions answered! I think you’ll have a wonderful time!

–Patti

Hi Patti! Thank you for your post. I can’t wait to meet everyone!

Right now I am more worried about storms. My horse is standing tied to the trailer overnight. He has never been any problem standing tied for hours on end, but it’s never been overnight. I said “well, I have to find out sometime.” So this is it :slight_smile:

you can get Endomondo for your phone. Uses gps. It’s handy for measuring distance/time when out on your rides. The free version gives you a voice update on your distance and speed every mile, so you can learn how your horse goes.
It’s quite enough for your first rides, until you know more and want to spend money on a fancy GPS watch.
Have fun, find out what your max time is and aim to be back 5 minutes sooner.

Smart of you to practice before you come to the ride! But sorry about the storms … hoping for good weather next weekend.

If you want to do a little pre-ride reading I think the AERC Rider’s Handbook is an excellent overview of things.

http://www.aerc.org/AERC_Rider_Handbook.pdf

Of course the Intro ride is really just a fun ride to get you introduced to the sport and lots of the LD/Endurance rules won’t apply, but it will give you a feel for your next ride, when you do the LD, perhaps!

I’ve been working with a whole slew of new folks, we call them “Green Beans” – and many of them will be at the ride, doing either the Intro Ride or the 25 LD. They are some fun, lovely ladies, so be sure to walk around grazing your horse and say hello, or come look me up and I’ll get you hooked up with them.

Hey OP, I’ll be at that ride too doing the LD. Stop by an say hi- I’ve got a bay Morgan mare decked out in all purple.

Hi tabula! I will keep an eye out for you. We plan on getting there around 12N on Friday. My horse is a grey Arabian gelding- he looks like this

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s366/normandyfarms236/Mobile%20Uploads/marquis81413_zps43b1ff10.png

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Hi tabula! I will keep an eye out for you. We plan on getting there around 12N on Friday. My horse is a grey Arabian gelding- he looks like this

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s366/normandyfarms236/Mobile%20Uploads/marquis81413_zps43b1ff10.png[/QUOTE]

What a handsome fellow! Here’s my girl and I

We’ll be there Thursday afternoon since it’s a long drive for us

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I am doing my first endurance ride over the 4th of July. We are doing the “beginners” ride, 15 miles.

I have been steadily conditioning my horse over the past 4 months and I think we are READY!

My questions are:
1.) What would be a good time to complete the 15 miles in (as a beginner?) We are up to riding 3 1/2- 4 hours, mostly walking but trotting for appx. a quarter of that time.

2.) How do you measure mileage on the trail? The maps of the trails I mainly condition over seem to suggest that we are doing 12-15 miles in appx 3 hours. Does that seem right? The maps are poor at best, but it seemed reasonable to me.

3.) What should I take with me during the ride? And if I am using a western style saddle are cantle or pommel bags best?

4.) What is the trail etiquette for passing. I KNOW the 25 & 50 milers will be passing us at warp speed :smiley: Is it like bicycle riding where you stay right and they pass on the left? Or will they (ideally) call the side?

Anything else you want to tell a newbee would be great too. I am not sure endurance riding is something I really want to get “into.” I really just like to leisurely trail ride, but this will be a good learning experience for my horse seeing all the other riders, horses, and hoopla![/QUOTE]

1.) 2-3 hours depending on terrain. On flat terrain at home (i.e. shoulders of country roads), I can do 15mi in an hour and twenty minutes. We trot and canter the entire time. That almost doubles with hills. You’re better off doing a lot of trotting interspersed with walking and cantering to use different muscle groups than just walking the entire time.

2.) I really don’t measure mileage on the trail beyond paying attention to the ride map.

3.) I like pommel bags better because they’re easier to get into, though I do have both. I take a bottle of water on one side and a bottle of something with some sugar and electrolytes (Gatorade or some such thing). My goal is to drink both by the time the loop is done. “Best” is whatever works for you. My horse prefers pommel bags as well. Cantle bags tend to sit right on his flanks. I don’t like to put drinks in the bottle holders of mine because they do sit right on his flanks and I imagine that gets annoying after a couple miles on the trail. If I do take the cantle bag, its got other stuff, like an extra layer for warmth or rain and lighter things like that.

I usually take some snacks for both of us. Carrots, a granola bar, raw nuts, jerky. Carrots are a good source of electrolytes. I basically let my horse have as many as he wants during holds.

4.) I’ve found people usually call a side. “On your left!” They shouldn’t be blasting past you unless you give them the okay to. My horse is fine with people cantering past us, but a lot are not. I usually try to tell people coming up on us that they are fine to maintain their pace passing us. They ought to slow down (most people around her drop to a trot), pass you, and then move out again. If they don’t call a side, I usually try to move to the right, but will pick which ever side is safer for me to stop on. If there’s a drop off to the right, I’m going to move to the left.

If its tight quarters on the trail and someone is coming up behind you, I would stop, point my horse’s hindquarters into the woods and stand at about a 45 degree angle to the trail.

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Hi LS!

I’m the ride secretary for the MTM ride and welcome!

I think you’ll find that Cinnamon (the ride manager) is going to allow a rather generous optimum time for the Introductory ride, so 6-7 mph, which is a good goal for getting around your first LD (25-35 mile) ride, you can probably take it a little slower at this ride if you feel you need to do so.

Best to learn the ropes, get a feel for the sport, enjoy the trails and see what it is all about.

We’ll have a new rider briefing and promise to make sure we get your questions answered! I think you’ll have a wonderful time!

–Patti[/QUOTE]

Most people on Intro rides are going pretty slow, in my experience. If you are spending about a quarter of your time trotting at home, I wouldn’t go too much over that on this ride. I would say half trotting and half walking would put you at about 3 hours so i would shoot for a 3 to 4 hour finishing time. More like a 4 to 5 overall mph…an overall 6 to 7 mph sounds a lot faster than what you are doing at home. Have fun!

Saratoga is absolutely right. Just enjoy the ride!

LS, if you are on Facebook, there is a page for NE Distance Green Beans and there’s lot of new folks there as well as lots of experienced folks to help answer questions too.

See you next week!

–Patti

Hey ladies!

Terrific to see you at the ride and congratulations on getting around!

It was my first ride on those trails and they were gorgeous but tough and technical, and bravo, you should be proud of yourselves!

Come back soon. Big Loop Boogie in mid-August? I’ll be out west but they have an intro ride there as well as an LD …

Welcome to the nutty world of endurance!

–Patti

Thank you Patti for all your hard work- I had a WONDERFUL time at the ride! And, I met some of the nicest people ever!

The trail was HARD, but afterwards I was so proud of my horse. He was so perfect and it was a huge confidence boost for us both.

I will be back at the Flying W for 4 days in August to ride. I can’t wait!

OMGosh- that was the hardest ride I’ve ever done. We finished but were overtime. I was very happy though with how good she looked vet-wise at the end. And thank you so much Patti for helping me ice her when we got back!!!

I have to say that it was a beautiful place to ride!!! Trails were way challenging but well marked except the unfortunate trail sabotage. And it’s always a plus to have a super ride dinner after a long hard day! My hats off to the ride manager too- she did an amazing job especially with this being her first ride.

I know as we headed out from the start someone yelled “Go Erin! It’s (couldn’t hear name) from COTH” so thank you to whoever that was.

Congratulations LSM! I’m happy you enjoyed the ride.

That was a super hard trail!! Our last ride was OD 50 and I’m thinking we need to find something EASY to do next … :slight_smile:

Rich is going to VT 100 and I’m crewing. (Practicing my cool-down skills for his half-Morgan, Erin!) But I may pack up and head to Muckleratz just to enjoy an easier jaunt of a trail.

But the difficulty was worth the level of gorgeous, no? I’m sure Cinnamon will change it up next year and bet she can find some more trail that allows us to make time. Mother Nature really slowed things down with all the mud for sure.

So glad you both had such a good time! Welcome and look forward to seeing you at more rides.

–Patti

Absolutely