New to hoof boots - need recommendations

Nice quiet 7 yo TB gelding tends to foot soreness, especially with the large amount of rain we have had over the past 12 months that has kept pastures continuously damp. These days he goes sound on the soft part of the arena and careful on the firmer surfaces, can show a head-bob if one foot or other has more of the sole on the ground. Shoes make a positive difference. Have been using Easyboot Epics when his shoes are off, and the Easyboots help quite a bit. I’m looking for recommendations for durable hoof boots that will do well on trails, stay on, and not press unnecessarily on his soles. Just want to know if the Epics are the best choice.

I’ve had him for about a year and I don’t know about his prior history with his hooves. Got him off the track and the problem didn’t show up then. In fact, he didn’t have a problem until the rain started so continuously. His previous connections were non-committal about his history. His PPE was clean, no x-rays done. He’s had foot x-rays since then and they were clean, although some bone changes indicate he did a lot of galloping. This horse is willing and kind and smart, and except for his troublesome feet he seems to be just what I was looking for.

He’s wearing shoes to help hold and guide the hoof shape as it grows out. The hooves are improving over the months with better nutrition, Biotin supplement, and Hoof Alive salve on the coronet. But his foot grows slowly and the ground stays damp, which is not helping. I would like to keep him in as much training and work as he is comfortable with, but it all depends on the protection for his soles. With or without shoes, there are days when he really needs some extra cushion to be comfortable riding. The farrier takes nothing off the sole and is developing the sole and hoof wall shape, but the hooves tend to be a bit soft. (The farrier is a specialist with TB’s with difficult feet. The feet are a much better shape and strength than they were a few months ago.) (The vet has also been involved when the horse was the most sore, and endorsed the direction we are on with farriery. The vet is a racetrack specialist. If it matters.)

The Easyboot Epics had a pastern strap but the horse self-customized them by removing the strap on his own. Have been using the newly strapless boots when riding, and the boots stay on at the walk and trot. But they pick up a lot of arena sand. He tends to lose the backs when cantering a smaller circle. (He was sore enough one day that I let him wear the boots during turnout, and that’s when he took action and convincingly removed the strap around the pastern.)

Going forward, when the boots are most needed for riding they will be used 4-5 days a week. Mostly firm dirt trails and soft grass trails, and a covered arena that is a bit deep. Walk trot canter, circles, lateral work. Some hills, all degrees of grades. There are a few stony trails but we have the option of avoiding those. We are in the arena often these days due to the deep slippery mud outside.

Which hoof boots do people consider to be the best for a purpose like this? What about inserts of an extra cushion, keeping in mind that his sole needs to have less pressure on it? Is it a terrible idea to use Magic Cushion along with the boots (how would the inside of the boot be cleaned?)? What about using them over shoes vs without shoes? Since the pastern strap bothers him, are there good choices without the strap? There is some consideration to cost, but I’m willing to get the good ones so long as they last and give plenty of use.

I would love to think that this horse is going to progress to not needing the boots. But I’m thinking I need to be prepared to use them indefinitely because of the very long and wet weather pattern that shows no sign of drying out. The endless moisture is keeping his hoof walls soft. I’m willing to invest, in case he needs them to have a good career on trails and lower level competition.

For what it is worth, he’s a size 2 on every foot. (Maybe 1-3/4 or 1-7/8 … there is just the tiniest bit of extra space, depending on the latest rasp.) Any tips on correct sizing will be appreciated. The tack store here that sells them is willing to have the horse come and they will find the ones that fit him. None of the store personnel have much experience with hoof boots, though.

Thanks for your experience, knowledge and ideas! :slight_smile:

Most likely your horse has thin soles – and when thin soles are soft from being wet, ouchyness happens. Your vet could measure sole depth on your X-rays. Anything less than 1 cm or even slightly over 1 cm is considered a thin sole and your horse will obviously benefit from protection.

I like the Epics a lot. The ones with the gaiters. I used them on a thin soled (turn-out) horse almost 24/7 and didn’t put any pads in them – he just wore the plain boot. Worked really well for him – no sole pressure + the gaiter kept out mud etc. and I never bothered to pull up the interior heel bulb strap.

I also used Epics for trail riding on my other barefoot horses – loved them for that purpose too. But many people like Renegades and other boots as well.

Don’t use Magic Cushion in the Epics with gaiters – the stuff can migrate and will harden/adhere like glue to the fabric on the gaiter which will irritate heel bulbs. Impossible to get off.

Sizing is very important. Try to be as accurate as you can. Smaller is better than larger – they should be tough to get on and pull off + you really have to crank down that ski-boot latch. Make it very tight – so much so that you have to use a hoof pick to open it back up. If the Epics slide on and off easily, then they are too big.

If a gaiter gets wrecked you can replace it with a new one – not an easy task though! Screws are tiny.

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Thanks, that is great advice. Glad I started on a good track.

I can just get on the Epics I have. Getting them off has bent a hoof pick and a screwdriver, and in fact I’m looking for a sturdier lever to open them. Also more arm strength! :wink: Good to know that I can replace the gaiter, but not sure the horse will let it stay. He’s sensitive to things on his pasterns and lower legs. Although we are going to have to cross that bridge eventually with protective wear.

The one problem with the Epics is the amount of dirt that gets in them. They have to be cleaned constantly and then dried before re-use. The soil here is mostly sand-dirt, or dirt-sand, and it filters into everything and tends to pack around the lower bend inside the shoe. I’m concerned about the friction and extra pressure.

So after some desperate net searching last night, I discovered “Easyshoes” and am very interested in those used as a glue-on. If the grass pasture damp causes the glue to let go (it will) then I can re-glue them between farrier visits. I’ve been re-glueing his aluminum shoes. But the aluminum is not offering enough cushion to keep him riding sound.

Has anyone had experience with the “Easyshoes”? Advice & feedback?

https://www.easycareinc.com/easyshoe…erformance.asp
I really like the way this one is designed - but I’m not a farrier or an expert.

https://www.easycareinc.com/easyshoe…ormance-NG.asp
And we have this version as well

https://www.easycareinc.com/prodcat/EasyShoe.asp
There are versions with various designs, some with metal bar support. Someone is really into this, thank goodness!

https://www.easycareinc.com/our_boot…ot-Glue-On.asp
Or, this design looks like it has a more comprehensive support, and it might stay longer on constantly damp pasture? But is it better if the hoof has more air than these offer?

https://www.easycareinc.com/our_boot…-Flip-Flop.asp
Same but more minimalist - enough protection?

danacat you are exactly right about the thin soles. Last year during a prolonged wet period we did x-ray them twice. The soles had become very thin but I’m glad to say they were back to normal within weeks. That took pour-in pads though, and I am hoping we can use the boots to avoid pour-ins.

After that leg of the journey, there followed a lovely period of “normal” feet and riding. So there is hope !!! :slight_smile:

But we are back to fighting the thin, soft walls and thin soles, with the extreme rainfall we have had since the beginning of September.The forecast is for unending rain and it is the time of year that tends to that. (Two rivers in this area are staying fully topped up! They usually have about 20% of max.)

We’ve been glueing on aluminum shoes. But at this moment in time, we need more cushion to keep him in even light riding. He’s very green, 7 yo, and he needs the training to continue to secure his place in life, not just to be my riding horse.

As said, his feet haven’t always been like this and I don’t anticipate this will be a permanent condition. But he’s certainly having far more problems than the other 8 horses on the farm (board barn, I only own the one). So I’m hunting ongoing solutions that I can use indefinitely whenever they are needed.

Thanks danacat and anyone else who has advice and counsel! :slight_smile:

You need sole protection for pasture as well as riding, even with shoes?

I would suggest either glue on plastic shells (made by various boot companies) or else pads in your shoes.

Shells cover the sole.

I don’t think putting hoof boots over metal shoes 24/7 is a great idea.

Also being ouchy at a walk in turnout is a sign of a big problem somehow somewhere.

I’ve used Easy Shoe Sport glue-ons as well as the Love Childs – they both take a lot of hoofwall prep – not something you can just ‘glue on’ inexpertly if you want them to stay on for more than a week or two. Repeated use does wear away hoofwall due to the rasping/sanding off of old glue + new hoofwall prep that allows glue to bind well. These are really better for short term use, like an endurance race or other type of brief compettition where barefoot won’t work.

Sigafoos are far better for long term use – the glue cuff only impacts the lower 1/4 of the foot. The glue is rather toxic: very strong stuff that holds extremely well for a full shoeing/trim cycle – but only a farrier experienced with Sigafoos should put them on.

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From time to time, but most of the time he does not. He was fine with just shoes while the weather and ground were dry/normal.

Were the weather not so unusual for so many weeks, this horse would not be having these problems. Certainly not to this degree. All of the horses are showing the effects, but this one much more so.

I think the glue-on plastic/synthetic are the direction I’ll be going. With shells, or some design that keeps him comfortable while these feet rehab.

I think not the pads, as they tend to trap moisture. For the foreseeable future is looks as if damp ground will be continuous. It’s frustrating for all keepers of hoofed animals in these parts, these days.

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I’ve only used the boots on bare feet. He had the Epic boots on for just a few days after he lost his front shoes, until the farrier arrived.

That’s why I was interested in the glue-on shoeing alternatives that will serve all purposes, hopefully, and not need boots. He needs something on his feet for the time being. I dream that someday he’ll be barefoot and happy.

Fully agreed. He has rarely been ouchy in the pasture as long as his shoes are on.

Agreed that a healthy foot, bare or shod, shouldn’t be ouchy just around the pasture (and this pasture is grass, too). There has been quite a journey with this horse and his feet. As long as Post #1 was, that was just the author’s note, not the full-length novel. :wink:

When all this started I was terribly worried about laminitis, broken bone, etc. etc. Even about this horse’s sustainability if he didn’t not have a healthy enough set of feet to live the life of a horse. But with x-rays, the vet, who is broadly and deeply experienced with racehorses, performance and ‘regular’ horses, and does some sort of equine research every year, determined that the problem is hoof walls and soles. However there is no question that this horse has a weakness this way that is greater than most other horses. Always be something to manage, it seems. We just have to learn how to manage it.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! Keep it coming! :slight_smile:

Excellent advice, thank you. I will look into the better long-term solution.

I don’t have boot advice, but FWIW I have seen a lot of people talking about Hoof Armor on some of the barefoot groups. I have no experience with it myself, but am having issues similar to yours and am considering giving it a try in the hopes that it protects the sole that is there. http://www.hoofarmor.com/

What about Scoot Skins? They are glue-on, but also reusable. I quite like the look of them, and the Scoot boots are probably the best boots I’ve tried (still went back to shoes though).

Update if anyone is following … We are giving EasyShoes Compete a try, they are glue-ons. They are coming this week and I hope to get them on by the holiday.

https://www.easycareinc.com/easyshoe…oe-Compete.asp

I’ve had a couple of phone conversations with the company. They promise that if we get the glue set properly on a dry hoof, the shoes should stay on even with 24/7 turnout on damp pasture. That would make the horse happy as he wouldn’t have to be in at night any more. That’s been the strategy to attempt to dry out his feet at night before he goes out again. (It rained again today … at present, the poor horse doesn’t get turned out at all when it rains. I have to provide entertainment and exercise in the arena.)

I forgot to mention that the vet (the one who does something research every year) has my horse on a list to participate in a research study on a different kind of hoof covering/shoe. I don’t have all of the details yet, and this isn’t something that is available yet on the retail market. He promises the horse will be able to ride & work as normal. The project isn’t quite up and running yet, so no dates.

If I get these new shoes on, the research project will probably become active so I have to take them off again - kind of like putting away your umbrella to make it rain. :wink:

That looks very interesting, kind of like pour-in’s without the shoe. I wonder how well it protects the outside edges of the hoof. Right now, if my horse does not have a shoe (when he has lost the shoe), there is major chipping on the edges, especially the toe, and most especially off the forward edge on the front hooves.

These are very interesting, and glad to know that you tried them and liked them. Will keep Scoots in mind.

I was looking at something similar and we decided to try the Easyshoe Compete instead. I do like the protection the Scoots are giving the surface of the hoof walls, above the ground. With some openings in the edges for growth. And looks like good traction as well.

For trail riding and general use, I’ve used renegades as well as scoot boots, I’m very happy with both, especially as it relates to lack of build up in the boot itself (used in trail riding with water crossings, mud, gravel roads, trench-type trails that can twist just about any boot)

I am definitely interested in hearing what you think about the Competes

Fingers crossed we get them on before Thanksgiving. I don’t feel right about coaxing the farrier to come put them on Thanksgiving Day - although he probably would.

Horse has now lost all of his shoes, and with continuing rain his hooves are flaring a bit and chipping at the bottom. I don’t want to glue his old shoes back on right now, because we’ll never get them off to put the Competes on.

With luck, if his feet stay fairly consistent in growth, and with these I’ll be able to do a bit of rasping & re-gluing and less farrier time. But the farrier is keeping it all together. I was impressed at how consistently all of the feet measured when I was measuring for size. All four are bang on 5" in length, the front width 4 6/8", the hind width 5".