New York Supreme Court Ruling on Barney Ward

[Inverness]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
[B]Just a legal FYI for clarification – In New York, their “Supreme Court” is the trial court, the first level of the judicial process. . . .

So, the ruling of the Supreme Court (trial court) granting the permanent injunction is subject to appeal if B. Ward chooses to pursue it.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Portia is correct. An appeal of the Supreme Court’s (i.e., trial court’s) determination would go to the Appellate Division and could then be appealed to the state’s highest court - the NY Court of Appeals.

[Flash44]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gladstone:
You bring up a very interesting piont Cactuskate. The Ward situation is similar to the P. Rose case. Both banned for life, yet Rose can still attend ball games his son plays in. He can sit in the stands, have a hotdog and beer and watch the person who brings him more joy than anyone. B. Ward is not even allowed in the stands. To me this is crazy, what would it hurt to allow him to sit in the stands and watch his son, it would hurt no one! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to disagree - Rose didn’t kill anyone or anything. I strongly feel that when you buy, lease or care for an animal that is locked up and completely dependant on you for it’s life, you are morally and ethically obligated to provide this animal with the best possible care. The animal has no voice, and cannot beg or plead for it’s life. It cannot defend itself. I find animal abuse as atrocious and child abuse, and on par with the crimes against humanity commited during wars etc.

[J_Turner]

Pete Rose is not allowed to spectate. He had to get special permission to go to the All Star Game this past year (or was it the year before?) to accept his award for being named one of the Greatest Players of the Century.

[Checkers324]

Oops! Let me explain my post… It SEEMS as though McLain Ward has been considered GUILTY until he is proven INNOCENT. It’s supposed to be the other way around, but I’ve been getting the impression that he’s considered guilty, except from Sidelines Magazine, which appeared to be implying that he was set up.

[Spunky]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
[B]McLain Ward was found “responsible” for the chips in his horse’s boots, and thus suspended for a good chunk of the spring season, if I remember correctly. Yes, he has claimed HE didn’t actually put the chips in, and has hinted at a setup. But, fact is, he was found responsible by the FEI (I believe).

All of this has been hashed out at GREAT length on previous threads… maybe someone with more time can dig those up and link them here. [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the clarification Erin! I guess I was thinking about the 2nd allegation someone referred to earlier . . . frankly, the whole thing is pretty fuzzy to me! Sorry, Checkers, I didn’t mean to step on teh discussion you were trying to have!

[Checkers324]

I know! I am SUCH a horse-lover. I cried when my favorite horse was sold, even though I knew he was going to a good home! It was just because I loved him so much, and I knew I would never get to see him again.

YES, that would be wonderful if it comes back to haunt them… They deserve to finish their lives in jail! Or a mental institution…

[Medievalist]

This topic has been beaten to death in the BB, magazines, books, etc. While it is something that should be discussed so it will deter it from happening again, I hope that people can use some tact and not throw around accusatory opinions. A lot of people read these BBs(think of all the lurkers!). The horse show world is a very close knit community and they take an attack on one of their own as an attack on the whole community.

I’m not condoning these actions…just telling everyone to use some caution.
JMHO

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[Jumphigh83]

Not wanting to weigh in with yet another opinion, rather to make a comment on what I saw at Culpeper in Sept…He was NOTHING short of AMAZING in the speed class there. I was astounded by the ride he gave his horse…poised, confident, very fast, controlled, slick, …can’t think of any more superlative adjectives to describe the ride. Leaving his genes out of the frey, he is a great rider.

[Checkers324]

Whew… Those interviews were LONG. But when I’m really suspicious of someone – or suspicious at all – I’ll read the whole thing! From reading your posts and the interview, it does seem that his horses are well taken care of. And not that I’m defending McLain, but it does seem odd that the story about the chips was changed so much, and that they were only on one side. Who knows…

[Checkers324]

Yes, the situation with the baseball player is much different than that with B. Ward. The baseball player didn’t kill anyone! (I have no idea what he did do, but I know it wasn’t murder.) B. Ward did. In fact, he killed THREE living beings with minds and souls. And I think his punishment is well deserved.

[gladstone]

J. Turner you are not correct, he is allowed to spectate. At the all star game he had to have permission to go on the field. He is baned from the field and any offices with in a team. Please check the facts, thank you.

[Erin]

As Janet (?) mentioned, Barney pleaded guilty to arranging for the deaths of the three horses. (GL’s Charisma being one of them.) He was not actually convicted of physically killing a horse himself.

McLain Ward was found “responsible” for the chips in his horse’s boots, and thus suspended for a good chunk of the spring season, if I remember correctly. Yes, he has claimed HE didn’t actually put the chips in, and has hinted at a setup. But, fact is, he was found responsible by the FEI (I believe).

All of this has been hashed out at GREAT length on previous threads… maybe someone with more time can dig those up and link them here.

[MintJulep]

What felony was Pete Rose convicted of?

[/B][/QUOTE]

I work for John Dowd, who was Special Counsel to the Commissioner of Baseball during the investigation of Pete Rose. Pete Rose was convicted of tax evasion and served time for this conviction. Apparently, he is allowed to spectate, but must pay for his ticket. He is not allowed to be associated with baseball in any other way. If interested, the report on the investigation is available at dowdreport.com

A little off the topic, but hope it clears things up. there is a great book out on this topic right now…Hotblood - I just finished it…it was extremely informative.

[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Checkers324:
I hope his son is, too. I hope that someday, neither of them will ever be able to be near a horse again!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Checkers, this has been discussed at length in a number of previous postings. While everyone has an opinion (and right to one) I would caution anyone in making inflamatory remark regarding McLain.

There have never been charges aimed at him regarding the abuse of horses in his care. The Aachen chips incident, which would be an issue of an unfair advantage, was as murky as it gets. While I won’t say he is perfect, by no means should McLain ever be so branded as being unfit to own or care for horses.

[Inverness]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gladstone:
I am saying that the prepairing of jumpers is as common as flatwork in the sport. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gladstone, will you define for me what you mean by “preparing” GP horses? Are you referring to training methods (e.g., poling, sharp objects, etc.) that may be used by some in training horses but which are illegal in competition?

Concerning the McLain Ward situation, I’ve not read anything that definitively establishes that he or his groom were responsible for putting the plastic chips in his horse’s boots.

I’m willing to give McLain the benefit of the doubt in the absence of clear evidence that he actually committed the offense. Given the fact that his father’s transgressions were well known, and the fact that considerable prestige and $$ were at stake in Aachen, I certainly can conceive of a situation where a dishonest competitor would deliberately sabotage McLain. That said, at this point, there appears to be insufficient proof pointing to any one individual, including McLain.

Moreover, I believe that the “sins of the father” argument went out with primogeniture.

[Giddyup2]

You know what I don’t understand is…even though these people were (found) guilty and convicted, people continue to financially back them. Ah…duh! Hello?!

I personally know a trainer who was caught red handed embezelling money. He was asked to leave the barn. However, his loyal subjects followed him to another barn where he set up shop and continued on his merry way. “But he’s such a good trainer” some of them said to me…hello?!

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[Cactuskate]

horsenut, I was about to mention the same interviews.

What comes to my mind in this discussion, was McLain’s comment about his father’s inability to even spectate at any of the events McLain has shown and been so successful. I believe he said he had to ride over by the street, over to the fence to acknowledge his father’s support and presence.

In what other sport does there follow such a severe distancing from the sport. Does Pete Rose’ situation come to anyone else’s mind? I don’t think he was ever banned from ballparks was he? How about the ever poplular Darryl Strawberry? How many times was he REHIRED for God sake? These are much more visible “heros” to our youth. Hello people…

I make no claim to know ANY particular details of the B Ward situation, only what I have gleaned from the media and BB coverage. It sounds heinous to me, but is the ban from all venues a fair condition?

[gray17htb]

check out the “horse killings for insurance revisited” thread. Erin posted two great links that also mention Barney Ward.

[Flash44]

Great post, Finzean.

[Bethe_Mounce]

Gotta clear up something here…Pete Rose cannot attend/spectate at his son’s baseball games without 1st garnering permission from the baseball commission.

He has to get permission per game he attends or spectates at.

No blanket permission has been granted.

[This message has been edited by Bethe Mounce-Blasienz (edited 11-14-2000).]