New York Times article - USEF and Humble

[amberhill]

if you had someone accuse you of injecting your pony with llegal drugs and were temporarily suspended bc of her unsupported protest and crucified publicly, you would do the same.

It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. Especially if you have one that has a chance at a ribbon. This is all in the complaint.

And Humble was examined 1 month prior to Devon for the competition and the veterinarian who examined him gave him the green light.

Walk a day in my shoes, after my daughter lost a year of her riding career… you wouldnt let it go either. And I will NOT let it go as two false protests were filed against me and I was wrongly accused. My attorneys have strking orders and have been told to aggressively defend me.

[Laurierace]

I don’t believe that either but suing people won’t change anything. It makes you look guilty!

[wanderlust]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753045]

It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. Especially if you have one that has a chance at a ribbon. This is all in the complaint. [/QUOTE] In all the years I’ve been doing this, I’ve never heard of ANYONE giving Legend (not “legends”, sic) 2 hours out from a hack. If you knew the first thing about the drugs you are injecting in your ponies, you’d know that the effectiveness of Legend peaks somewhere around 36-48 hours after administration and remains at that peak until around 96 hours.

[europa]

I wouldn’t inject anything to win…but then again that is me. GEESH

I can’t believe that people have gotten to a place where they think it is just fine to inject at will. The only times my horses get injections is when they are:

A. Sick
B. Getting their vacinations.

I have ridden hunters and trained all my own horses to the A circuit and have never been soo appalled that people think this is ok.

I just wish you would realize that the money you make is through these animals and if you truly love them you will let them lose graciously now and again rather than trying soo hard to get the upper edge.

Kharma is an amazing thing. It really is.

[Laurierace]

If she sued the Pope and WON, I still wouldn’t believe the story as presented. I imagine I am not in the minority. But the general public has a short memory, you just have to give us a chance to forget.

[Limerick]

[QUOTE=BeeHoney;6753038]
In light of the aggressive legal pursuit (harassment?) of people even remotely connected to the case, I just have to mention that I have great admiration for Ms. Williams. I don’t know her, I’ve never met her, and I’ve never heard anything else about her, but I admire her for not being afraid to speak up when she saw something wrong happening. I think that without her protest and her eyewitness account, the incident in question might have been swept under the rug like other similar incidents that have occurred before it, and that the NYT article never could have been written. If people who write on bulletin boards and websites are being targeted by the person accused, then I can only speculate what Ms. Williams has had to deal with as a result of speaking up.

I’d like to think that most of us would would unhesitatingly speak up and/or file a protest if we saw someone breaking the rules, especially in an abusive or dangerous manner. However, the decision to speak up is complicated when doing so puts yourself at risk for harassment or an expensive lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
As a pony mom, I want to thank Ms. Williams as well. I can’t imagine how the Humble saga has affected the sport for her and her daughter.

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;6753050]
I don’t believe that either but suing people won’t change anything. It makes you look guilty![/QUOTE]

I have already been proved innocent and again if the USEF took Ms. Williams or Ms. Marks protest seriously, they would have enjoined the protest. They did not which speaks VOLUMES!

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=Limerick;6753086]
As a pony mom, I want to thank Ms. Williams as well. I can’t imagine how the Humble saga has affected the sport for her and her daughter. :([/QUOTE]

That is a giant problem. One should not have to give their name or their money to file a complaint. It only encourages people to turn a blind eye.

[Pennywell_Bay]

I’d release full necropsy results, including pathologist reports. Then, thumb my nose at the naysayers.

[2bayboys]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753045]

It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. [/QUOTE]

So you’re saying that an IV injection of Legend, administered properly, can cause sudden death? Is that risk explained in the literature? Wow, you’d think the manufacturer of Legend would want to know about this risk and do something about it before their consumers start suing them for exposing their valuable animals to such a danger.

I, for one, would surely not think a hack ribbon was worth the chance of my horse dropping dead suddenly.

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=Limerick;6753086]
As a pony mom, I want to thank Ms. Williams as well. I can’t imagine how the Humble saga has affected the sport for her and her daughter. :([/QUOTE]

Her daughter still has Royal T as her profile picture so I can assume her daughter had a wonderful experience riding my beautiful pony who by the way she continued to show after Humble’s death and even stayed for the Pony Hunt Teams. If she thought I was illegally drugging my ponies, common sense would tell her not to allow her daughter to mount my pony. If it were me, I would not have allowed my daughter to mount him if I had a doubt in my mind. She obviously wasnt too worried and had alterior motives as she sent me threatening emails afterwards to refund her monies as that was my “least expensive option”.

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=2bayboys;6753099]
So you’re saying that an IV injection of Legend, administered properly, can cause sudden death? Is that risk explained in the literature? Wow, you’d think the manufacturer of Legend would want to know about this risk and do something about it before their consumers start suing them for exposing their valuable animals to such a danger.

I, for one, would surely not think a hack ribbon was worth the chance of my horse dropping dead suddenly.[/QUOTE]

No, Humble had an underlying condition that contributed to his death.

[amberhill]

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[Jsalem]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753045]
if you had someone accuse you of injecting your pony with llegal drugs and were temporarily suspended bc of her unsupported protest and crucified publicly, you would do the same.

It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. Especially if you have one that has a chance at a ribbon. This is all in the complaint.

And Humble was examined 1 month prior to Devon for the competition and the veterinarian who examined him gave him the green light.

Walk a day in my shoes, after my daughter lost a year of her riding career… you wouldnt let it go either. And I will NOT let it go as two false protests were filed against me and I was wrongly accused. My attorneys have strking orders and have been told to aggressively defend me.[/QUOTE]

Hmm. Interesting. I have a blue ribbon from Harrisburg in the Lg Junior Hunter Under Saddle. I have a blue ribbon from Washington in the Small Junior Hunter Under Saddle. I have a blue ribbon from The Devon Horse Show in the Second Year Green Under Saddle. I have a blue ribbon from Pony Finals in the Large Green Pony Hunter Under Saddle. Never gave Legend 2 hours out. IV. In fact, never stuck a needle in those horses at the horse show. But that’s just me. And as the OP so kindly pointed out at a horse show, we’re just “Bottom Feeders.”

[annaelizabeth]

So what were those 15 listed “medications” and why on earth did humble need them. Honestly just think about this for a second amberhill, imagine before you went out and competed you got jabbed with 15 needles. I mean do you care for your horses, honestly?

I guess when you look at your horses you see something completely different than I do. Because if my horses needed 15 injections to win then it’s just not that important to get the ribbon for me.

[2bayboys]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753108]
No, Humble had an underlying condition that contributed to his death.[/QUOTE]

So it was just a coincidence that you were giving him an IV injection at the very moment that his underlying lung condition caused him to suddenly collapse and die?

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;6753097]
I’d release full necropsy results, including pathologist reports. Then, thumb my nose at the naysayers.[/QUOTE]

The necropsy is a report that needs to be read by a professional and the main substance has been released:

Humble only had small amounts of banamine and robaxin in his system even though he was tested for over 1100 substances.

Humble had well within normal magnesium/calcium levels in his system.

The track of the needle was followed and I did not hit the carotid artery.

Humble had a unbeknownst lung disease and his death could have been from environmental factors and could not be definitively related to the legends.

All of my other animals were left on competition grounds and the USEF had permission and authority to test them as they pleased.

I requested the USEF test all my B samples on any previously tested animals at other competitions.

I also requested that the USEF test Humble and all of my B samples for Carolina’s Gold which is what I think they were doing while I was temporarily suspended against USOC Rules. I assume when the test results came back, the suspension was lifted.

I gave the USEF and the insurance company full access to Humble.

[Limerick]

If USEF weren’t given all the documentation related to the case, I wouldn’t use the word innocent. Innocence, in this case, wouldn’t need nine lawyers.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/28/us/28equestrian-letter.html?ref=us

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=annaelizabeth;6753121]
So what were those 15 listed “medications” and why on earth did humble need them. Honestly just think about this for a second amberhill, imagine before you went out and competed you got jabbed with 15 needles. I mean do you care for your horses, honestly?

I guess when you look at your horses you see something completely different than I do. Because if my horses needed 15 injections to win then it’s just not that important to get the ribbon[/QUOTE]

6 vets/pathologists did not think these were excessive and neither did the USEF or they would have enjoined the protest.

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=Limerick;6753148]
If USEF weren’t given all the documentation related to the case, I wouldn’t use the word innocent. Innocence, in this case, wouldn’t need nine lawyers.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/28/us/28equestrian-letter.html?ref=us[/QUOTE]

That is completely false and my lawyer has notified the NY Times and the USEF and the USEF stated their must have been some “misunderstanding” and asked my attorney to correct the misstatement with the NY Times. We also released a statement to the NY Times which they ignored and I offered the necropsy and toxicology to him with the restriction that he not release it to the general public and he declined. This reporter had an agenda.