New York Times article - USEF and Humble

[Pennywell_Bay]

I think posting the results of necropsy is courageous. One question- if there was no evidence of disease of the lungs at gross necropsy, as stated by New Bolton, only seen by histo- how did the pathologist call the owner in mid necropsy? Histology can take some time, sectioning, staining etc.

[QUOTE=amberhill;6747015]

Humble had an emerging lung disease and while the necropsy was being performed, the pathologist stopped and called me and asked me if I knew about it because he had never seen lungs so diseased in an animal of that age. He asked me questions regarding his health. I had noticed that Humble had been pawing in his stall the night before and was laying down when I arrived but he popped up when I called his name.

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“No evidence of disease process evident at gross necropsy”

[hntrjmprpro45]

I found it interesting that in the laboratory report it speculated that it could have possibly died from an “overwhelming allergic response to medications or environmental triggers to which the animal has become increasingly sensitive”. Is it possible that the “15 separate drug treatments” given to the pony at that show (and likely previous shows) could have compromised the pony’s health to that degree?..

[Sticky_Situation]

I am not a veterinarian, but I fail to see how a “lung condition” would cause a horse to suddenly begin convulsing and drop dead, without and prior signs of respiratory distress.

Would an injection inadvertently administered into the carotid show up on a necropsy?

[amberhill]

The arquel was an error… Royal t gets arquel and if it was given it would have shown up on tox results. Neither the USEF not the vets/pathologist thought the med list was excessive. Legend and adequan are given by responsible performance pony owners.

[amberhill]

The necropsy states the carotid was not involved. Read on. It was described to me as a massive allergic reaction similar to a shellfish allergy. He did have symptoms of lung disease in hindsight but they were not significant enough to have called a vet. Afterwards my Braider told me he had a strange cough at night.

[RAyers]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753893]
Legend and adequan are given by responsible performance pony owners.[/QUOTE]

Oh, that goes BEYOND the pale of stupidity. Without an appropriate diagnosis as to the need of chondroprotective agent or something to treat synovitis how can you even consider making such a ludicrous statement?

Again, you are displaying an amazing lack of horsemanship, thought and wisdom.

[LulaBell]

Pigeon chess, anyone?

[Freebird]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753940]
The necropsy states the carotid was not involved. Read on. It was described to me as a massive allergic reaction similar to a shellfish allergy. He did have symptoms of lung disease in hindsight but they were not significant enough to have called a vet. Afterwards my Braider told me he had a strange cough at night.[/QUOTE]

And this was never noticed before? Really??

Does anyone have any video of the pony competing?

[RAyers]

[QUOTE=amberhill;6753940]
The necropsy states the carotid was not involved. Read on. It was described to me as a massive allergic reaction similar to a shellfish allergy. He did have symptoms of lung disease in hindsight but they were not significant enough to have called a vet. Afterwards my Braider told me he had a strange cough at night.[/QUOTE]

Ah, so you are releasing information. At the same time, this is a possible indication that the drug you did administer could have caused the incident.

[Laurierace]

You need hip waders for this thread. I tried to help you help yourself. Add me to the list that hopes you attorneys bleed you dry.

[Tha_Ridge]

[QUOTE=Freebird!;6753972]
And this was never noticed before? Really??

Does anyone have any video of the pony competing?[/QUOTE]

Yes, it was a very nice pony. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5oTlVKo1o

[katarine]

[QUOTE=hntrjmprpro45;6753867]
I found it interesting that in the laboratory report it speculated that it could have possibly died from an “overwhelming allergic response to medications or environmental triggers to which the animal has become increasingly sensitive”. Is it possible that the “15 separate drug treatments” given to the pony at that show (and likely previous shows) could have compromised the pony’s health to that degree?..[/QUOTE]

That list of medications he was taking is just sad. Poor Humble.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=farfel;6753725]

Diva Pup

[QUOTE]

Huh?

[Carolinadreamin]

[QUOTE=Daventry;6753339]
…somewhere, a lawyer is banging their head on a desk repeatedly! :rolleyes:

Between this thread and the one in the Sport Horse Breeding forum about Jill Burnell, breeding something like Gerbils or Guinea Pigs looks more appealing every day! Oy![/QUOTE]

No, don’t! Many show breeders (yep, believe it) of guinea pigs cull, ie., kill, the pigs that aren’t up to their standards. Plus, it adds to the overpopulation of guinea pigs, resulting in many abandoned, starved, etc. Unlike Humble who was “accidentally” killed by his owner Elizabeth Mandarino, the extra pigs are killed on purpose.

I am so worried about this new information on Legend (no “s” there, Elizabeth Mandarino, owner of the now dead pony Humble) since one of my horses received some injections of it in the past, given by our vet after surgery. If it contributed to Humble’s death, it should be publicized and taken off the market! I am going to contact the company immediately and I suggest that all caring horse owners do the same!! It must be dangerous! Everyone needs to notify the company that manufactures and sells Legend about the fact that it contributed to the death of Humble…according to Elizabeth Mandarino.

[Laurierace]

If Ponymom67 is EM and is banned, why don’t the mods ban her recent SN as well? I know we don’t want to spoil the train wreck but once you are banned you don’t deserve to be here.

[findeight]

Perhaps EM is going to recieve an inquiry from the lawyers at the company that produces Legend? A product that has been in use for some time on thousands and thousands of horses without them dropping dead almost immediately.

[Carolinadreamin]

[QUOTE=findeight;6754029]
Perhaps EM is going to recieve and inquiry from the lawyers at the drug company that produces Legend? A product that has been in use for some time on thousands and thousands of horses without them dropping dead almost immediately.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. We all need to do a screen capture of her comments about the injection of Legend contributing to Humble’s death and send those to the company that produces Legend.

[amberhill]

[QUOTE=Freebird!;6753972]
And this was never noticed before? Really??

Does anyone have any video of the pony competing?[/QUOTE]

No he came to me very thin and was hospitalized once for a very high fever when he was younger. Other than that was healthy except for a runny nose here and there but we monitor for shipping fever closely after long trips.

[Tha_Ridge]

[QUOTE=findeight;6754011]

[QUOTE=farfel;6753725]
Diva Pup

Huh?

That was the name of her puppy mill operation.

[findeight]

May as well throw whoever had Humble under the bus too…

Forget the boxed wine and popcorn, it’s New Years Eve. Bubbly stuff and shrimp cocktail for me-anyone want to share while we wait for the inevitable lock?

I think threatening to sue any poster in disagreement is worthy of a brand new ban.

Oh, yeah, thanks Tha Ridge, a puppy mill was included in past threads under the old screen name. I couldn’t remember the details.