Elizabeth Mandarino, I have a question for you.
Was it worth it? Was Humble’s death an acceptable loss for all ponies you’ve injected over the years in order to win ribbons and make money?
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No he came to me very thin and was hospitalized once for a very high fever when he was younger. Other than that was healthy except for a runny nose here and there but we monitor for shipping fever closely after long trips.[/QUOTE]
Humble had an emerging lung disease and while the necropsy was being performed, the pathologist stopped and called me and asked me if I knew about it because he had never seen lungs so diseased in an animal of that age. He asked me questions regarding his health. I had noticed that Humble had been pawing in his stall the night before and was laying down when I arrived but he popped up when I called his name."
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So…you take a pony that has been in obvious stress the night before, and not only show it, but medicate him because…he was very healthy? MmmmHmmm.
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Humble had an emerging lung disease and while the necropsy was being performed, the pathologist stopped and called me and asked me if I knew about it because he had never seen lungs so diseased in an animal of that age. He asked me questions regarding his health. I had noticed that Humble had been pawing in his stall the night before and was laying down when I arrived but he popped up when I called his name."
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So…you take a pony that has been in obvious stress the night before, and not only show it, but medicate him because…he was very healthy? MmmmHmmm.[/QUOTE]
According to the New Bolton necropsy, there was no evidence of disease in the lungs at gross necropsy, but only upon histo evaluation. So the pathologist would not have called during necropsy, if that was the case. Histo involves preserving, sectioning, staining and viewing the tissues under a microscope. No quick task.
Did the pathologist call during the necropsy, as stated? Someone is not being honest. Either New Bolton was not correct in their necropsy report, or the quote about the pathologist calling is a lie.
No kidding Laurierace. I figure anyone using Carolina Gold after February 22 was not gifted in the SMRTs department (still, I do believe we have a few lucky contestants who will be winning an upcoming vacation, but I digress). But IV Mg was and still is a problem. A not testable problem.
Also any horse who spends a majority of time in stalls/on the road, possibly even tied up for braiding and/or eating out of an elevated hay net (and may or may not get some regular dex to help suppress symptoms) is a pretty good candidate for IAD.
50% of racehorses are thought to have IAD. One hears the average race horse has a passing familiarity with IV shots in general and Legends (sic) in particular. While race horses certainly die, IAD in less or more severe forms is rarely identified as the cause of death. Just a condition the animal had, that had nothing to do with cause of death.
Saying an animal has an underlying condition is not necessarily causality of death. It’s like revealing the horse that died of colic had an underlying condition of IAD. OK… and? It was the enterolith that killed him, not the white blood cell count in his lungs and trachea. In that same horse identifying the enterolith as an underlying condition may be more causal especially if the damage to the digestive tract is directly related to that area. On the other hand, that horse could die of colic with no evidence of enteroliths being the cause. Maybe they would have killed him one day, but not this day. So to the extent that the necropsy report needs an informed eye to properly interpret it, I agree. I suspect that is exactly why it was not released. Because it would be pretty hard to defend the statement that the pony died due to an underlying lung disease (commonly referred to as IAD) if the report simply claimed no known cause of death and then just laid out underlying conditions (as a good report should) with no claim that they were related because if there is no known cause of death, it’s pretty hard to connect the dots to an underlying condition.
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Neither the USEF not the vets/pathologist thought the med list was excessive.[/QUOTE]
So, you’re saying that someone at USEF told you “Actually, this list of meds is totally normal and acceptable.”
And you’re also stating that the vet pathologist saw that list of meds (even discounting the Legend and Adequan) and said “Oh yeah, that looks like what you’d give a normal, healthy, competing horse.”
I’m not that dumb.
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No he came to me very thin and was hospitalized once for a very high fever when he was younger. Other than that was healthy except for a runny nose here and there but we monitor for shipping fever closely after long trips.[/QUOTE]
15 scheduled meds for a healthy pony? How much did you pay a vet to sign off on that and what the heck are your unhealthy ones on??? :no:
What bothers me is thinking of the number of people reading this thread who believe the meds mentioned are a standard “healthy” horse show practice and no big deal. {{shudder}}
DMK, I’m guessing that well-thought-out response will sail right through Ms. Mandarino’s ears. It’s becoming obvious that she doesn’t know one end of a pony from the other.
For the record, I never owned a puppy mill and anyone stating that is further defaming my name. I hope you have proof of your allegations. As for the other disgusting poster, I loved Humble like a child. For you to even say such a heinous comment shows what a person you are. My animals were and are cared for better than 99% of barns and I have professionals to attest to that. They are treated like pets and do not get thrown from show to show in tents like other animals on the circuit. The injections they receive are to preventatives so they do not need joint injections and when they need rest they get it. I own 43 horses and ponies and do not need to overuse them. The medications Humble received were not excessive and were well within usef medication guidelines. Devon expects you to ship in from Florida with hardly any rest period for the animals and banamine and robaxin were are humane given the distance they traveled and workload they were under. I have been more than forthcoming with all documents and information related to Humble. Defame me if you wish behind your anonymous screen names but as I have shown, they are not so anonymous.
“…when they need rest they get it. I own 43 horses and ponies and do not need to overuse them.”
"Devon expects you to ship in from Florida with hardly any rest period for the animals and banamine and robaxin were are humane given the distance they traveled and workload they were under."
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So, you’re saying that someone at USEF told you “Actually, this list of meds is totally normal and acceptable.”
And you’re also stating that the vet pathologist saw that list of meds (even discounting the Legend and Adequan) and said “Oh yeah, that looks like what you’d give a normal, healthy, competing horse.”
I’m not that dumb.[/QUOTE]
The list of medications was in the final necropsy so yes the pathologist was aware of the meds he was given
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So, you’re saying that someone at USEF told you “Actually, this list of meds is totally normal and acceptable.”
And you’re also stating that the vet pathologist saw that list of meds (even discounting the Legend and Adequan) and said “Oh yeah, that looks like what you’d give a normal, healthy, competing horse.”
I’m not that dumb.[/QUOTE]
The list of medications was in the final necropsy so yes the pathologist was aware of the meds he was given
Oh, I see. PROFESSIONALS have endorsed your program. Well, in that case, I’m sure you’re totally fine. That pony dropped dead in the crossties and it absolutely, positively, could not have POSSIBLY had anything to do with any of the considerable injections you were pincushioning him with.
By any chance, would these be the same “professionals” whose names are routinely in the back of the USEF magazine for drug violations? Surely not. 
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The list of medications was in the final necropsy so yes the pathologist was aware of the meds he was given[/QUOTE]
SO not what I asked. Just because the vet SAW the list of meds does not equate with the vet telling you “this looks like a perfectly legitimate list of medications to be giving to a healthy, competing pony.”
I’m not doubting the vet saw the list.
Just google “diva pup” and Mandarino.
Why in the world is this previously banned, constantly threatening lawsuits against anyone who doesn’t smooch her tuckus or who points out her ignorance, has a huge history of people attempting to sue HER for seriously crooked business experiences in both dogs and horses and who is still threatening anyone who points out her lies online on this BB STILL allowed to post on this BB?
Well, probably because she threatens to sue Coth for not allowing her to threaten others with lawsuits…or as she would term it “defend herself against accusations” despite her so-called accusations being her own stupidity in constantly contradicting herself.
Irony for $200, Alex:
Elizabeth Mandarino, Bedminster, Somerset County, formerly d/b/a Emma Rose’s Diva Pup Sold hundreds of puppy mill puppies at huge markup over the Internet and via her website divapup.com. Did not comply under the NJ puppy lemon law for selling defective puppies until the NJ Division of Consumer Affairs, by way of an administrative hearing, forced her to pay up
I know the USEF is cracking down on trainers who are raping buyers and I dont appreciate trainers marking ponies up 100%. Far be it from me to deny a proper commission to a trainer but dobling the price is sheer rape and I think trainers should be exposed.
I have to say that I don’t know EM, but after reading all her posts and responses to others, I would NEVER allow my child to show with her. The fact that she posted e-mails (with the addresses) is a huge concern as well. This is only going to go downhill, if that’s even possible.
The pathologist called me while Humble was on the table on Sunday the day after he died and discussed what he saw in his lungs.
As for diva pup… I did not own a puppy mill it was a business I built and sold similar to bigeq.com. Anything to the contrary is false. I sold the building which was a boutique for designer dogs and closed the site due to unscrupulous breeders.
Just to add, my husband is an equine vet, he says there is absolutely no value in giving legend the day of a show.
Devon made you do it?
Thats a gem. Devon does not force anybody to show in Fl (in late May when the major circuits are long gone) and haul to Devon. They don’t even know who you are. Then anyway, they do now.
That is the choice of the person managing the horse.
I’ll go farther and just say Devon does not give a rats hinny what anybody is doing and consider they have to force anybody to do anything. All they care about is you send the check if you qualify (well in advance of the show dates) and show up.
Getting to be a bumpy ride for that bus.
Is that this site: http://web.archive.org/web/20060803235409/http://divapup.com/ ?
I keep wanting to say Diva Cup…
