I highly doubt Devon cares where you ship in from or even when for that matter…
[QUOTE=amberhill;6753893]
The arquel was an error… Royal t gets arquel and if it was given it would have shown up on tox results. Neither the USEF not the vets/pathologist thought the med list was excessive.[/QUOTE]
Methinks it’s a fabulous thing the NY Times took on this issue.
Fifteen times over a two or three day period? Do I even want to ask what the thought process is behind this? If once every few months is good, then once a week is better? And once a DAY even better than that? 
So his chronic underlying lung disease was caused by a massive allergic reaction? I only have an MS in human nutrition, but a life threatening shellfish allergy is going to cause anaphylaxis, not some sort of chronic lung disease that is barely noticed. AFAIK.
And what was he allergic to? Perhaps one of the ingredients in the massive amounts of injections he was receiving daily?
Diva Pup Designer Dogs…ewww.
I have to say that this has been very entertaining reading over the long holiday weekend. but very sad too.
This woman is clearly very competitive and enterprising and could probably succeed in many different endeavors…but she really needs to stay away from animals.
So to misquote Geraldine Jones, the old character from the Flip Wilson show, “The Devon made me do it!” Got it. Res ipsa Devon.
Devon, which has had the same dates since the creation of time…is now responsible for finding new dates so the mass migration of ponies from Florida can take their time and arrive healthy. Not needing 15 jabs. No wonder show horses hack with their necks out. They’re too sore to flex them.
[QUOTE=amberhill;6754198]
The pathologist called me while Humble was on the table on Sunday the day after he died and discussed what he saw in his lungs.
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Then the report is not accurate. Gross necropsy is a visual observation of the organs. The report states the lungs had no evidence of disease at gross necropsy.
Details, details.
[QUOTE=Calling Duck;6754275]
So to misquote Geraldine Jones, the old character from the Flip Wilson show, “The Devon made me do it!” [/QUOTE]
:lol:
Devon, which has had the same dates since the creation of time…is now responsible for finding new dates so the mass migration of ponies from Florida can take their time and arrive healthy.
Devon does not prevent anyone from renting stalls nearby so horses coming a long way can ship in ahead of time, settle in, then move into the showgrounds when the show stalls are available. Many good horsemen use that approach.
Yes, this very much sounds as if E Mandarino was proven to not have done anything wrong and all vets and professionals agreed with her: (insert sarcasm here)
Long admits that the “Mandarino case,” the USEF investigation into the death of Humble and any potential wrongdoing by his owner, Elizabeth Mandarino, "has been one of the most challenging situations the USEF has had to face during my tenure as CEO."Long explains that until now the USEF has had “neither the power to subpoena documents nor to compel witness testimony during our investigations. We must rely on the voluntary cooperation of our members, owners, trainers and riders.”
However, this case may lead to changes in policy so that “the Federation does not find its hands tied in the future when a matter of animal welfare like this presents itself,” according to Long.
So the USEF thinks it has to change things because of the obvious problems it faced with Mandarino and that it’s hands were tied on a matter of animal welfare LIKE THIS.
Huh, sounds as if the USEF is stating what everyone knows and thinks already…not so much a hint of innocence there. 
Guess the cryptorchid USEF’s testicles are finally starting to be visible. :winkgrin:
You know, if your ponies need so many “preventatives” in order to avoid those costly joint injections why don’t you just give them a break and maybe go to fewer shows? No one forces you to show every week and if you choose to show in Florida until it’s time to ship to Devon that’s YOUR CHOICE. But if you didn’t go to all of those shows that would be less money in your pocket.
[QUOTE=amberhill;6754157]
Devon expects you to ship in from Florida with hardly any rest period for the animals[/QUOTE]
I am pretty confused with this statement…
WEF ended on April 1st 2012; Ocala ended March 18th, 2012.
Devon junior weekend started on May 24th, 2012. In my opinion, ~two months is a very sufficient rest period.
after the july 21 letter was sent to keating, no further requests for information were received from usef until nov 26 when they requested the final report which was immediately produced and said the same thing as what had already been given to them.
Oh, this is just too easy:
From: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/tri-state-area-ny-nj-ct-usa/122490-nj-puppy-mills.html
For those of you looking in or around New Jersey for your puppy. I’ve included a link to the NJCAPSA Site - Consumers Against Pet Shop Abuse. They list MANY New Jersey Breeders/Brokers to stay away from. Below is the Link and then I’ve also copy and pasted NJ Breeders/Brokers listed on the site. http://www.njcapsa.org/
Below some New Jersey Brokers/BYB/Mills Mentioned
DIVA PUP - DIVA PUP - Gone or just in hiding?
Looks like Diva Pup owner Elizabeth Mandarino of Bedminster, NJ has disabled her virtual puppy mill website but we are still receiving complaints against this puppy mill broker. Click herefor our page on Diva Pup, with updates coming soon.
(LINK To complaints about DIVA PUP) http://www.njcapsa.org/index.php?opt…d=32&Itemid=61
Am I the only person struck by the similarity of “Diva Pup” and “Horse Show Diva”?
[QUOTE=amberhill;6754157]
For the record, I never owned a puppy mill and anyone stating that is further defaming my name. I hope you have proof of your allegations. As for the other disgusting poster, I loved Humble like a child. For you to even say such a heinous comment shows what a person you are. My animals were and are cared for better than 99% of barns and I have professionals to attest to that. They are treated like pets and do not get thrown from show to show in tents like other animals on the circuit. The injections they receive are to preventatives so they do not need joint injections and when they need rest they get it. I own 43 horses and ponies and do not need to overuse them. The medications Humble received were not excessive and were well within usef medication guidelines. Devon expects you to ship in from Florida with hardly any rest period for the animals and banamine and robaxin were are humane given the distance they traveled and workload they were under. I have been more than forthcoming with all documents and information related to Humble. Defame me if you wish behind your anonymous screen names but as I have shown, they are not so anonymous.[/QUOTE]
You’d make a pisspoor pharmacist, sweetie. And an even worse DVM.
Maybe you should know those people listed on capsa were looking for $$$ just like all the rest that state that “it’s your least expensive option”. Divapup paid their expenses even though the unscrupulous breeders would not stand behind their puppies and reimbursed the owners. they fail to mention that just as the ny times articke fails to mention certain inportant facts. Horse show diva and divapup have nothing to do with one another. My complaint alleges who operates Rate my horse pro and horseshowdiva. Divapup was a very successful business and I sold puppies to Many famous people and a handful of complaints out of all of the puppies sold to happy owners is a pretty good track record. That page is a glorified PETA.
[QUOTE=plainbay22;6754397]
You know, if your ponies need so many “preventatives” in order to avoid those costly joint injections why don’t you just give them a break and maybe go to fewer shows? No one forces you to show every week and if you choose to show in Florida until it’s time to ship to Devon that’s YOUR CHOICE. But if you didn’t go to all of those shows that would be less money in your pocket.[/QUOTE]
My ponies do not get regular joint injections bc of the preventatives and I am proud of that and they get the required rest and ample turnout.
Please everyone, report her posts to the mods and ask why in the hell she is allowed to post here after being banned. If they didn’t back down from Jill Burnell’s constant threats to sue (who has not been banned by the way) then there is no reason they should allow her to broadcast her BS on their bandwidth after being banned.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;6754486]
Please everyone, report her posts to the mods and ask why in the hell she is allowed to post here after being banned. If they didn’t back down from Jill Burnell’s constant threats to sue (who has not been banned by the way) then there is no reason they should allow her to broadcast her BS on their bandwidth after being banned.[/QUOTE]
In case you have not read the nj complaint, there is already a lawsuit outstanding so it is not a threat. Anonymous harassment and defamation must be put to an end and I plan on achieving that.
Who gives a crap? They can ban anybody they want for any reason and YOU have already been banned and don’t belong here. If you want to use this organization to spout your BS buy an ad.
For the record, I never owned a puppy mill and anyone stating that is further defaming my name. No, you seem to have owned a puppy broker that supported the puppy mill designer mutt cross breeders by widely marketing their unhealthy products with immense price increases for yoour own profit. And FWIW, there isn’t anyone who can defame your name as well as you do to yourself. I hope you have proof of your allegations. As for the other disgusting poster, I loved Humble like a child. For you to even say such a heinous comment shows what a person you are. My animals were and are cared for better than 99% of barns and I have professionals to attest to that. So now you’re defaming 99% of all other barns? I hope you have proof of your allegations and proof of how 99% of all other barns treat their animals. They are treated like pets and do not get thrown from show to show in tents like other animals on the circuit. What happened to Devon not allowing rest between shows, forcing you to excessively medicate your beloved ponies? The injections they receive are to preventatives so they do not need joint injections and when they need rest they get it. I own 43 horses and ponies and do not need to overuse them. The medications Humble received were not excessive and were well within usef medication guidelines. Devon expects you to ship in from Florida with hardly any rest period for the animals and banamine and robaxin were are humane given the distance they traveled and workload they were under. Or they do not get thrown from tent to tent…still not sure which story to go with. I have been more than forthcoming with all documents and information related to Humble. Defame me if you wish behind your anonymous screen names but as I have shown, they are not so anonymous. As proven by your lawsuits against Janes and Johns Does from so&so website online. Nope, not anonymous at all.
[QUOTE=Dapple Grey;6754203]
Just to add, my husband is an equine vet, he says there is absolutely no value in giving legend the day of a show.[/QUOTE]
As I said before, and someone else also mentioned, it is not an uncommon protocol to give Legend the day of the show. Some vets recommend repeating the dose every 48 hours for competition, so, 48 hours out and then the morning of the show day. Your husband might not be one of those recommending that program, but there are a number of barns that have been following those recommendations and find them to be effective.
