New York Times article - USEF and Humble

[3Dogs]

[QUOTE=Ruby G. Weber;6764065]
I think one reason the GP horses may have a longer career is, at least, two fold. One is their pre show exercise it based in dressage/warm up/loosen up not exercise until exhausted. The goal with a high level jumper is rideability and relaxation, not fatique.
At most shows they jump three classes, maximum - not the usual hunter fare of a warm up and double division. The exception being Olympic and World Games where they may jump several more rounds.
Not to appear arrogant but at the GP level there is generally a higher skill level in terms of the rider which in turn is easier on the horse.
This is not to say that those who jump the GP are squeaky clean either.
I wish there were an easy answer. I’m afraid returning to the “run and jump” style of yore might send many riders to the tennis court.[/QUOTE]

Spot on Ruby W - spot ON. Spending years at shows or IN shows, the warm up routine for jumpers a WHOLE lot different that the warm up routine of most hunters - top level jumpers (oh, let’s start with A/O jumpers) - out getting flatted - lots of dressage work, perhaps even a dressage RIDER doing to pre-work. Flex, shorten, lengthen, stretch then repeat, transitions, repeat. HUNTER warm ups? Rare pro or junior out early actually riding - if so, then lots of just trot trot trot - more likley? - able stable or not so able stable hand out lunging lunging lunging lunging - or, as we all are discussing - drugging drugging drugging. Oh the tales braiders could tell of those late night visits for a stick or two. In this case and in others, the sticks rather prominently in the daytime.
And agree with the number of classes and also, the slow ramp up to top level GP horse - they are mostly in their tweens - now, they are jumping 1.60 but still -

[ruetheruse]

Someone asked for an easier way to examine whether someone has been sanctioned/censured/fined/penalized/whatever word is appropriate.

I’ve been compiling a list of Hearing Committee Rulings dating back for the past 5 years. I’ll start posting them here.

The people whose names are listed below are listed in the (related) Hearing Committee Ruling for that month. They may be sanctioned due to their own actions (e.g. trainer with D&M violations, exhibitor failure to pay fees, etc) or due to their ownership of a horse involved in a violation (e.g. they as owner have to repay winnings, for example). Or they may have consented to a plea agreement with USEF.

February 2008
TWIN LAKES FARM, INC.
CALVIN MCDONALD
DANIEL DEUSSER
HEATHER HARGETT A/K/A HEATHER WILLIAMS
CLASSIC COMPANY, LTD.
LINDA SAUTTER
ANDRES RODRIGUEZ

March 2008
KIMBERLY BRUNSON
ELLEN SKRAK
TRUDY GLEFKE
JONATHAN SORESI

April 2008 and May 2008 (these got merged somehow on my spreadsheet – sorry; you can find people in one)
CARLY LAURIELLO
STACY NICHOLS
DORETTA UMNUHS
PATTI FELKER-BREINER
MICHAEL MELLER
JILL BROWN
SANDY SKAFGAARD
BENJAMIN ROSICHAN
JANE SMYLIE and DAVID ALLEMBY
CYNTHIA BRICKLEY
MICHAEL D. CINTAS
CHRISTOPHER J. VERKLEEREN
CARYL SPECTOR
THOMAS C. HERN, JR.
TAMMY HAWKEY
KENNY LAYMON
LIONIEL FERREIRA
MELISSA MOORE
THOMAS C. HERN, JR.
ANNIE MAGILL
KARA TEDESCHI
MARY BETH MCGEE
JAMES NORTH
NICOLE HARRINGTON
ASHLEY COLONEL
MANUELA REYNOLDS

June 2008
EVA LOPEZ
CHRISTA CARSON
SARA KELLER
ELIZABETH WALTMAN
PAUL TURNER
DAN FLOWERS
WENDY KLAZENGA
KEVIN LENEHAN
DONIDA FARM
BARBARA PETTI
GEORGE DAVENPORT
EVA MIRIAM LONGO
JIM SPURRIER
KIMBERLY LITTRELL
SUSAN KOUSSOURIS
LINDA COYLE
BILL AND NANCY BECKER
CARLOS ALBERTO SIERRA
SHELLEY BULLARD
ROBIN HARICK

July/August 2008
HUMBERTO REYES
NORTHEAST REGIONAL HORSE SHOWS, LLC
MICHELE BREMER
JEAN AND BRUCE BECKMAN
JANET ROSE
JOHN MONETTI
CHARLES MCDANIEL
OX RIDGE CHARITY HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT
MARILYN LITTLE
RAYLYN FARM
HEATHER MAYFIELD
OHIO EXPOSITIONS COMISSION

September 2008
WILLIAM CLARK
LESLIE STEELE
BRITTANY LUNNEY
LAURA REED
WENDY WERGELES
KATHERINE DESANTIS
CORNERSTONE FARM
STEVEN JENKINS
ROBERT DEVORE
LAURA WOOD
SOPHIE KOCH

October 2008
DEBORAH DAVIES
JOHN WHITE
SANDRA SARAN
K-LYN STABLE
LISA JO WHITE
STREETT MOORE
AMY NICHOLS
GAY (GARY) PETERSON
JOLEE HILLER
MANDY LOCKETT
LAURA BAKER
LAUREN SPARAGA
STEVEN TURILLI
LESLEY COX
LAURINE BARRIERA
HILLARY WATKINS
CAPITAL CHALLENGE PARNTERSHIP
LAURIE STATAM
JOCELYN HAMMAN
HILARY MENDEGUIA
OAKLEIGH, INC.
SWAN LAKE STABLES INC.
CAROLYN HOCK

NOVEMBER 2008
GEORGE SHAWN AGUEL
AMELIE PERRIER
KARL BEYER
THE GALLOPING FIELD
GABRIELLE MCGEE

DECEMBER 2008/JANUARY 2009
WILLIAM COONEY
ANNE SPEISER
JEANINE CASH ZUCKERMAN
DOLORES SWANN
DAWN DORRANCE
CAROL COWAN
TONY DIAMOND
ASHLEY BINA

FEBRUARY/MARCH 2009
LOUISE SERIO
BRYAN BALDWIN
GONZALO TOMAYO
HEATHER DRUMMOND
CHRISTOPHER KERR
BOBBIE KERR
ANGELA LAWRENCE
LISA ZARZECZNY
JAMES TUCKER
SOUTHWEST MISSOURI ARABIAN HORSE CLUB
JENNIFER LE ROY
DAVID OLIYNYK
OLGA WALKER
GINA GATES
LINDSAY ANN MOSS
CARRIE SORTOR
ANDREA SCOTT-KNIGHT
SHARON EDWARDS
DORI OSBORNE
NORTHEAST REGIONAL HORSE SHOWS, LTD.
KRISTINE STACK
UPHA CHAPTER V
MATHEW AND TANYA BURKE
STACY BAILEY
FRANK KUZMIN
LOYD “BUCKY” BRANNON
JAN TOPS
WILLIAM POSTEL
RENEE BIERLY
HUNTER FARMS
CRICKET CLARK
JOE THORPE
LAURA ROBERTSON
LAUREL RIDGE SPORT HORSES LLC
CARLA JOHNSON
DONALD STEWART JR.
GABBY SLOME
JACK BENSON
DIANE SAMBOLA
SCOTT NUNNALLY

APRIL 2009
LIZ (ELIZABETH) SCHUMANN
JAMES GENTLEMAN
PATO MUENTE
AGUSTIN ROSALES
BREE CHANDLER
JANE SMYLIE
MICHELE PESTL

MAY 2009
RACHE ROCK ROBINSON
JUSTIN RESNIK
HORSE ON COURSE EQUESTRIAN CENTER INC.
LANCE WILLIAMSON
SANDRA WOLF
CARYN EAREHART
EQUINE PRODUCTIONS, INC. AND TOMMY MCINTYRE
MARYANN MEINERS
KEVIN PETITGOUT
DIANNA STANGER
WOLF POINT RANCH, LLC.
JEAN BUDDIN

JUNE 2009
MARK LANG
SIMONE KESSLER
ERIKA NESLER
CARLY ARBITMAN
AMANDA SZADYR
KARYN SZADYR
HEATHER HARDMAN
SHERILYN NASSER
AMELIA NASSER
SUMMERLYN NASSER
CHARLES MCCALLISTER
JAYNE TRAINOR AND HORSIN’ TOGS, LLC
GUY KAPLIN
LAURIE ALLINGER
DAVID GERSH
KIM LAND
PINETREE PONIES
BOB (ROBERT) PHILLIPS
LOUIS NOVAK
VIRGINIA HORSE CENTER

JULY/AUGUST 2009
DAVID BILGRIEN
WENDY ARNDT-HODGES & EQUESTRIAN CENTER
JACK BENSON
J. MICHAEL KIERKEGAARD

SEPTEMBER 2009
CAROL BISHOP
LARRY (DAVID) GLEFKE
BENJAMIN WATSON
KIRSTEN PRIEBE
PAUL KEENAN
CHRISTINE BRUCE
ROBERT LE DONNE
MARGARET PASCALE
LUCAS KLINE
LAUREN SMITH
DALE BROWN
DANA CALLAWAY

OCTOBER 2009
MICHAELLE GARDEN

NOVEMBER 2009
DOROTHY MAXFIELD
EMER COYNE
HILLARY WATKINS
MIGUEL NOY

DECEMBER 2009/JANUARY 2010
WENDI SCHNITTJER
MICHAEL NEWMAN
KAREN NEWMAN
AUBREY HILL FARM
JEAN KINSELLA
MELANIE GARDY
KATHERINE DESANTIS
BOBBY BURGESS AND STOCKWOODS SADDLEBREDS
PAMELA OTIS
JESSICA SMITH
HEATHER MAYFIELD
NORMAN DELLO JOIO

FEBRUARY/MARCH 2010
RUSSELL LEE
RODNEY ECKENRODE
JOHN RYAN
LISA POWELL
BRIAN WISK
KENNETH AND SUSAN KNIPE
MONTELEONE PARTNERSHIP
W. RYAN DUNN
MARK ROCHESTER
ALISON GIESCHEN
ALICE HANN
KIMBERLY HANN
ERIN ELIZABETH SEEDS
ANITA DEARAGON
CHRISTY MCHENRY
CAROLINE SEARCY
CORINA CLARK
SARAH JENKINSON
PERRI FISHER
GUY RODAS
ERIKA NESLER
WHIDBEY ISLAND PONY CLUB
KARIN BISHOP
JOANNA HERRIGSTAD

APRIL 2010
GARY MCDONALD

MAY 2010
JENNIFER ROBERTS
LORI BENNETT
ASHLEIGH CLAIRE BENNETT
LYNN CLAIRE LLP
SARAH-JANE FRANKLIN
TRACIE RUPERT

JUNE 2010
NICOLE IMBRIGLIO
JEANNETTE GREELEY
KATHLEEN KOPP
DARYL GLAZER
JASON KELLEY

(to be continued)

[PonyPenny]

That is great list, but it also would be nice to know why they are on the Hearing Committee Rulings list.

[ruetheruse]

Pony Penny - it’s easy to look up.

Go to www.usef.org.

Click on “Rules & Regulations” (on the left navigation).

Select your year.

Select your hearing.

Download the PDF.

Read.

[ruetheruse]

(This info is all available online but in non-OCR-friendly PDFs - and there is no index…d’oh)

[ruetheruse]

Some of the more “colorful” reported violations:
From Dec 2009/January 2010:

The Committee Members present received and accepted a plea agreement tendered pursuant to Chapter 6, GR617, wherein MICHAEL NEWMAN, KAREN NEWMAN, and AUBREY HILL FARM of Pace, FL, violated Chapter 9, GR907.3, Chapter 11, GR1102, GR1105, and GR1107, and Rule HP127 (2008 Rules) of this Federation, in that MICHAEL NEWMAN, KAREN NEWMAN, and AUBREY HILL FARM applied for a recording for the pony, Short Story, although the pony already had a recording number under a different name; failed to advise the Federation of the name change from Saltwood Cecily to Short Story; had Short Story re-measured (as small) although there was already a permanent measurement for the same pony under the name Saltwood Cecily (as medium); allowed Short Story to be shown in the Small Green Pony Hunter and Small Pony Hunter divisions during the 2008 competition year although the pony’s permanent measurement was medium; and misrepresented the pony’s identity, age, and height on entry blanks during the 2007 and 2008 competition year.

Anyone want to guess at what the penalty was for this? No cheating by looking at the hearing report!

[M_Owen]

Were they whipped with a wet noodle? Just kidding :o

[ruetheruse]

One month suspension…after they allegedly re-measured a pony improperly, renamed it, showed it in shows it wasn’t eligible in, and lied about its age/height/name/ID, etc., for TWO YEARS.

[BaroquePony]

That’s quite a friggin’ list :lol:.

[BaroquePony]

I’m sorry, I can’t seem to stop laughing :lol:.

I know it’s a Dark Comedy, and not really funny at all, but you can’t :no: make this stuff up.

[MHM]

[QUOTE=PonyPenny;6764662]
That is great list, but it also would be nice to know why they are on the Hearing Committee Rulings list.[/QUOTE]

I concur.

Just glancing at that list, I can remember the details of quite a few of them. Some of them would not scare me off if I were thinking of doing business with those people. (A legal, therapeutic medication just over the allowed concentration one time five years ago? Eh, that could happen to almost anybody.)

Some of the reasons would make me run screaming in the opposite direction. (That list is pretty long.)

[QUOTE=ruetheruse;6764674]Pony Penny - it’s easy to look up.

Go to www.usef.org.

Click on “Rules & Regulations” (on the left navigation).

Select your year.

Select your hearing.

Download the PDF.

Read.[/QUOTE]

Should it be necessary to jump through that many hoops? And that’s just if somebody happened to stumble across the list of names here and the instructions about how to find the information.

And that list is only for the last five years. It would be much more informative to see results from a longer time span, which is when you really see a pattern emerge of someone’s history. One of those names is listed for only the most recent infraction of many, over a period of at least thirty years.

[War_Admiral]

Thank you so much, ruetheruse, for this very useful list!! Y’know, if USEF won’t do it, maybe someone should take a leaf from Planet Dressage and start an independent website - kinda like Centerlinescores does for USDF dressage scores (so that the general public can look them up without having to be members), only in our case it’s suspensions.

Oh and BTW once you have the names you don’t even need to go on the USEF website. Just google [NAME] + USEF and the .pdf should come up in the first few hits.

Here’s how low H/J has really sunk: my gut reaction in reading the pony scenario was “Well, heck, everybody around here does THAT. It’s just that some get caught.” :no: (I’m serious, I can name 3 Georgia trainers who have done the same thing just off the top of my head, and I’m not THAT much in the loop on ponies b/c TBH the pony ring is my idea of the First Circle of Hell. :lol:)

[vineyridge]

And the USEF still won’t require positive ID, chips, and passports.

Don’t I recall that it was only the past two or three years that changing Identities was “officially” deemed a violation, and so emphasized by the USEF?

[QUOTE=War Admiral;6764753]
Thank you so much, ruetheruse, for this very useful list!! Y’know, if USEF won’t do it, maybe someone should take a leaf from Planet Dressage and start an independent website - kinda like Centerlinescores does for USDF dressage scores (so that the general public can look them up without having to be members), only in our case it’s suspensions.

Oh and BTW once you have the names you don’t even need to go on the USEF website. Just google [NAME] + USEF and the .pdf should come up in the first few hits.

Here’s how low H/J has really sunk: my gut reaction in reading the pony scenario was “Well, heck, everybody around here does THAT. It’s just that some get caught.” :no: (I’m serious, I can name 3 Georgia trainers who have done the same thing just off the top of my head, and I’m not THAT much in the loop on ponies b/c TBH the pony ring is my idea of the First Circle of Hell. :lol:)[/QUOTE]

[War_Admiral]

Viney, the penalty for false recordation was a $200 fine for quite a long time. I’m not sure what it currently is.

[AirForceWife]

I think drugging is far worse than lying about a ponies height, but that’s just me.

[Peggy]

@War Admiral;6764753

Thank you so much, ruetheruse, for this very useful list!! Y’know, if USEF won’t do it, maybe someone should take a leaf from Planet Dressage and start an independent website - kinda like Centerlinescores does for USDF dressage scores (so that the general public can look them up without having to be members), only in our case it’s suspensions.

It wouldn’t be that hard to do a basic Google spreadsheet with columns for name, date, type of violation, and a brief description and/or link to the USEF PDF. You could even do it like RateMyProfessor with little symbols: syringes for drug violations, tape measures for pony height issues. dollar bills for amateur violations, etc. Not hard at all, but very very time consuming. I suggest a spreadsheet because it could be sorted for name, date, or whatever.

[Mayaty02]

[QUOTE=AirForceWife;6764877]
I think drugging is far worse than lying about a ponies height, but that’s just me.[/QUOTE]

Um but it’s still cheating for the purpose of WINNING. Same as why they drug. The reason is the root of the problem.

[War_Admiral]

[QUOTE=Peggy;6764974]
It wouldn’t be that hard to do a basic Google spreadsheet with columns for name, date, type of violation, and a brief description and/or link to the USEF PDF. You could even do it like RateMyProfessor with little symbols: syringes for drug violations, tape measures for pony height issues. dollar bills for amateur violations, etc. Not hard at all, but very very time consuming. I suggest a spreadsheet because it could be sorted for name, date, or whatever.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we can convince RateMyHorsePro to do this. They’re already proving to be pretty much the go-to website for info on litigation; adding the suspension list would be great business for them! I’d use it even if it was behind a paywall.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=War Admiral;6765101]
Maybe we can convince RateMyHorsePro to do this. They’re already proving to be pretty much the go-to website for info on litigation; adding the suspension list would be great business for them! I’d use it even if it was behind a paywall.[/QUOTE]

You know, I would probably pay for that too…if USEF acts as they have for decades, they are not going to make that more accessible or index it.

But it needs to go back 10 to 15 years to be meaningful and show repeat patterns.

[tradewind]

I am very late to this party, but I think the amount of medication given show animals today is deplorable and the amount of shennanigans that are gotten away with disgraceful. Shame on all involved in this. I grew up in Hunters in the 60’s and 70s, and I would discourage any child of mine today. I would put them in Pony Club instead.