Firstly: EM you make me sick! :mad:
I don’t understand why USEF couldn’t get her, at least, for the stacking of all these drugs? She says they were all under the legal allowed limit BUT when you combine them all together she’s waaaaaay above the limit. I.just.don’t.get.it!!!
Not just overseas that uses passports…Canada uses them too, and they MUST be turned in at shows and signed by the steward upon checkout! Our passports also have a photo of the horse on page 2. Passport shows all markings, height etc and is signed by a vet (back page also shows foot angles etc and is signed by a vet). There are also pages (where the show steward signs) where the owner can also track placings if they want to; and I believe you can also track innoculations if you wish (not mandantory though).
Of course I know why eligible athletes have to be part of sport governance, thanks to the Ted Stevens Act, the USOC, the FEI and the IOC. But that doesn’t mean they are qualified to run an organization. Many of them are comparatively uneducated in things other than their sport. AFAIK, the most recent presidents of the USEF are/have been eligible athletes with little formal education. Not saying formal education is the be all and end all, but when the pool is limited to a group that mostly is without, their views might tend to be parochial, i.e limited to the things that they know and have personally experienced.
The one thing that formal education should teach is critical thinking and a willingness to try the untried and search for new and better ways of doing things.
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What USEF should have done to EM.
http://youtu.be/uQJ8WrKnLUs[/QUOTE]
True, but I have always maintained that she did not actually melt. I THINK it was some sort of chemical transformation in which a vapor was produced. Or, perhaps she sublimed…
Carry on!
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AFAIK, the most recent presidents of the USEF are/have been eligible athletes with little formal education. Not saying formal education is the be all and end all, but when the pool is limited to a group that mostly is without, their views might tend to be parochial, i.e limited to the things that they know and have personally experienced.[/QUOTE]
Not so at all. In fact, of the recent USEF/AHSA Presidents, only David O’Connor and Jimmy Wofford have been international athletes, and David is the only one who basically walked out of the athlete role into governance.
Before David was:
Alan Balch - adult amateur
Jane Clark - high performance owner
I can’t find a list, sorry.
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Not so at all. In fact, of the recent USEF/AHSA Presidents, only David O’Connor and Jimmy Wofford have been international athletes, and David is the only one who basically walked out of the athlete role into governance.
Before David was:
Alan Balch - adult amateur
Jane Clark - high performance owner
I can’t find a list, sorry.[/QUOTE]
There is a kind of history here, but there is a gap from 1960-1999. I have a nifty little book called, are you ready for this, “Our Highest Purpose, A History of the American Horse Shows Association 1917-1960.” Presidents are listed in the back as follows: Reginald Vanderbilt 1917-1925; Alfred B Maclay 1925-1936; Pierre Lorillard, Jr. 1936-1937; Adrian Van Sinderen 1937-1960 (!); Albert E Hart Jr 1960. I have no idea how or when I acquired this book.
IIRC, Chrystine Tauber was an international showjumper at one point. I can’t find any information on her higher education, but she’s been a horse pro since she was very young. I’m not saying she doesn’t have exceptional experience.
From USEF Bylaw 331
(b) To be eligible to serve as President an individual must have international experience. For purposes of these bylaws, “international experience” shall mean an individual who has sustained, verifiable experience with one or more of the FEI recognized disciplines at FEI competitions as: competitor,
trainer, owner, competition organizer, licensed official, selector, Chef d’ Equipe, team leader or veterinarian.
This means that almost none of the breed people are eligible, no matter how good they are. People who never set foot out of hunters aren’t eligible either.
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There is a kind of history here, but there is a gap from 1960-1999. I have a nifty little book called, are you ready for this, “Our Highest Purpose, A History of the American Horse Shows Association 1917-1960.” Presidents are listed in the back as follows: Reginald Vanderbilt 1917-1925; Alfred B Maclay 1925-1936; Pierre Lorillard, Jr. 1936-1937; Adrian Van Sinderen 1937-1960 (!); Albert E Hart Jr 1960. I have no idea how or when I acquired this book.[/QUOTE]
Interesting that being an owner counts as “international experience”.
Given that the USEF’s most important legal duty is as its NGB status, it’s not too surprising that we’d always want someone with some experience and allegiance to the international function in place. That doesn’t preclude someone from having both breed and international discipline experience… indeed, it’s rather tragic in my mind that people combine those experiences far less than perhaps they used to. Alan Balch, for example, went from AHSA to ASHA, the Saddlebred association.
Chrystine Jones Tauber won the Medal and Maclay finals in 1965 and rode international jumpers in the late 60’s.
In David’s case, he went right from competing to USEF president, in part because of the particular tensions involved in creating USA Equestrian and then USEF. In Chrystine’s case, her resume with governance and judging and the like is long and rich, longer than her elite competitive career at this point. She wouldn’t count as an Active Athlete for example, as David would have when he took over.
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Firstly: EM you make me sick! :mad:
I don’t understand why USEF couldn’t get her, at least, for the stacking of all these drugs? She says they were all under the legal allowed limit BUT when you combine them all together she’s waaaaaay above the limit. I.just.don’t.get.it!!![/QUOTE]
With all due respect, if you don’t get it, then you need to read the D&M rules. It is indeed illegal now to stack two NSAIDS. The others? Not illegal, but also not all of those drugs are used to do the same thing.
I understand the first-glance surprise and outrage at a show pony with a huge list of meds. The L A Times did the same thing, complete with pictures of syringes, for race horses.
But if you know what you are doing/what all those do, it’s a “meh.” There’s a legitimate issue with drugging horses for nefarious purposes out there. The blanket objection doesn’t help those trying to make the rules better and more sensitive.
poltroon, it’s possible the international experience rule came post AHSA when rules had to be modified to meet USOC requirements.
mvp, eclipse, by my reading of the meds list in the NYT is there was no stacking of NSAIDs. It was pretty confusing, but appeared that one pony was getting arquel and another (humble) was getting banamine, not one pony getting both (illegal under current rule). At least from the list provided, it did not look like stacking just a disorganized but readable(ish) meds list, and I believe the drug test confirmed that, so I suspect it is true. It’s not like testing for stacked NSAIDs is out of the box testing for the USEF lab, right? There’s a lot of problems with this whole thing, but illegal amounts of drugs approved under the the therapeutic rule does not appear to be one of the issues.
OT, but I think Balch was somehow connected to the National Horse Show before he became AHSA president. Now he’s a professional horse organization CEO. I think I read that he is now the head of the California Thoroughbred Association.
Poltroon, maybe they didn’t want to disqualify Jane Clark from future service when they wrote the bylaws.
He was a manager at Santa Anita for a while too, and managed the equestrian events at Santa Anita for Los Angeles in 1984.
(Heh: while fact-checking myself, I found an awesome article with cool memories and photos from Balch:
http://arcadiasbest.com/2009/07/santa-anita-olympics-memories/
)
Poltroon, maybe they didn’t want to disqualify Jane Clark from future service when they wrote the bylaws.
I’m sure that the NGB/Ted Stevens Act is the reason it’s legally required, but we’re probably the only Olympic sport that has ‘owners’ in quite the same way. I wonder if you can be President of USA Gymnastics by being a sponsor?
Most definitely the reason our NF is lead by an individual with “international” experience is due to the Ted Stevens Act. The Act also mandates a prescribed number of active athletes be seated on the Board. (guess that makes one of EM’s ponies eligible for a seat;-). Check out one of EM’s earlier posts)
Seriously - that Act, if you want to wade through it, explains why we- the masses - are subject to so many mandates that have little to do with equestrian and nothing to do with Hunters and Equitation.
Runny thing is that in the language of the Ted Stevens Act and, IIRC, some of the language of the USEF bylaws, it’s all about AMATEUR athletics. Hasn’t be anything amateur in xports since Avery Brundage left the IOC. In fact a large part of the problems in this are from professionals.
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Most definitely the reason our NF is lead by an individual with “international” experience is due to the Ted Stevens Act. The Act also mandates a prescribed number of active athletes be seated on the Board. (guess that makes one of EM’s ponies eligible for a seat;-). Check out one of EM’s earlier posts)
Seriously - that Act, if you want to wade through it, explains why we- the masses - are subject to so many mandates that have little to do with equestrian and nothing to do with Hunters and Equitation.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about the typos above. Board won’t let me edit.
20% of all USEF boards and committees have to have eligible athletes who defined as those with international experience within the past ten years.
[QUOTE=Ruby G. Weber;6770629]
Most definitely the reason our NF is lead by an individual with “international” experience is due to the Ted Stevens Act. The Act also mandates a prescribed number of active athletes be seated on the Board. (guess that makes one of EM’s ponies eligible for a seat;-). Check out one of EM’s earlier posts)
Seriously - that Act, if you want to wade through it, explains why we- the masses - are subject to so many mandates that have little to do with equestrian and nothing to do with Hunters and Equitation.[/QUOTE]
This explains a lot.
I’ve tried googling And looking at USEF’s info for the answer to this but I thought you couldn’t give Banamine and Robaxin at the same time at a horse show. I know in my reading of the USEF hearing, they alluded to Suesue stacking and that Suesue should have filled in a meds report. They also mentioned having a receipt for 25-50 syringes of Carolina Gold purchased by Suesue from Juan Gamboa!
Seems to me the USEF should have suspended the trainer until she produces a full list of the drugs administered to the pony. I think the article said the USEF didn’t have that power? May have been discussed elsewhere in this thread, but admittedly, I did not read thru all 43 pages!
Not that this action is going to resolve the problem, but my opinion is that trainer needs to be held accountable.
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Seems to me the USEF should have suspended the trainer until she produces a full list of the drugs administered to the pony. I think the article said the USEF didn’t have that power? May have been discussed elsewhere in this thread, but admittedly, I did not read thru all 43 pages!
Not that this action is going to resolve the problem, but my opinion is that trainer needs to be held accountable.[/QUOTE]
They don’t have the power to subpoena. 
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