Non-Traditional Farm Mortgage Help

Not sure if this post belongs here, or elsewhere… But here goes:

Hubby and I are currently leasing a farm. We have been in negotiation with the owner to purchase, BUT this requires some creative financing because it is not a traditional living arrangement.

Main living quarters are a 1500 sq foot barn apartment (ground level), that is BUILT TO CODE. There is a second dwelling on the property- a small cottage, that is currently rented, and would remain rented.

We are in Virginia. We have been in touch with many different lenders, all who say they can get “creative”, but all balk and run when we mention the main dwelling is attached to the barn. And let me reiterate, the barndominium is BUILT TO CODE.

I don’t understand why we cannot get a traditional mortgage on this property. The house just happens to be attached to the barn. It doesn’t change the fact that it is a house. That house just happens to be attached to the barn.

Can anyone recommend any lenders or mortgage companies who may be able to help us out?

Thanks!

Can’t you make the cottage the “main dwelling?”

I live in an area where nearly half of the farms have houses attached to barns. I have several friends who have ‘huntboxes’ where the living area is over the barn. Both the place we rented and the farm we eventually bought have the house attached to the barn (via mudroom into tack room). We didn’t have any problems getting a mortgage, despite the fact the two are attached (we used Movement Mortgage) and I’ve not heard of any other issues with neighbors with similar property layouts.

Can you call it a ‘specially finished garage’ or something? Our appraiser had issues at first, since “horse barn” isn’t something he had a ready formula for. But no-one cares if a garage is attached to the house, so while some garages are used for storage, or as exercise rooms, yours can be used to house horses? Just a thought, but good luck.

The lender is perceiving a higher risk due to the primary dwelling being attached to the barn and that affects a number of underwriting things as well as anticipated effect on the property value. “Built to code” is nice, but “attached to the barn” is the sticky point. You may, in fact, need to get creative relative to what you call things and how you identify what structure is there for what.

If it’s easier to get a mortgage for a separate house then the cottage is the house.

According to my lender I have a mortgage on a property that contains a house and a garden shed. I tend to call the garden shed a “barn” as it is enormous and has 20 horse stalls in it, but if they were willing to lend me the money they can call the barn “covert government Teletubbie traning facility” for all I care. Whatever makes them happy.

Do you have Farm Credit Services in VA? They might lend on something like that. I agree that you may have better luck to list the cottage as the main dwelling. Speciality properties like yours are a risk as they appeal to a very small margin of buyers out there. Most banks won’t take the risk.

OMG so THAT’s where that is!

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If it’s easier to get a mortgage for a separate house then the cottage is the house.

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Talk to Farm Credit or see if there is an agricultural financing co-op in your area. They are far more likely to be favorable than a “traditional” lender. Have most of the lenders been commercial banks? Have you tried any credit unions in your area?

The long and short of it is that if a lender (bank, mortgage company, credit union, etc.) is only offering “conforming” mortgages then they are constrained by a set of national rules (set by the Federal Reserve, Fannie, and/or Freddie; or maybe the VA, if a veteran is involved). Since these mortgages are traded on national exchanges they must have a very strict set of underwriting rules. Since 2008 these rules have gotten progressively more restrictive.*

If the lender does not trade the paper then, within limits, it can write any kind of mortgage it wants to. The major limits are two-fold: the creditworthiness of the buyer and the market value of the property. The first is generally governed by the credit score; the second by the appraiser’s opinion on value. That second part is what will “bite” you because your arrangement is odd (in today’s market) and that means the bank faces a much longer holding problem if the loan goes sour. The Law of Supply and Demand is fully functional in these matters.

The ag. lenders will be more open to “unusual” properties but they still have to live with the same basic rules as a commercial bank or other lender. Since they will take more risk you’ll pay more in interest. Right now general mortgage interest is running 4% (more or less) for 30 year fixed loans; the ag. lender will likely be looking for 5.5% to 6% for 15 years.

There is one more possibility and that’s owner finance (if the owner has clear title). They can either write you a mortgage or they can sell on a land contract. If this is a possibility take the mortgage even if they offer a lower rate on a land contract. Mortgages are governed by a lot of regulations that protect the borrower. The land contract is governed by Contract Law and it has very few borrower protections. I’ve got personal and professional experience with land contracts; I do not recommend them for buyers. In either type of owner finance hire a local attorney to represent you.

Shop around to ag. lenders. Contact your County Agent or Farm Service Office and get contact information.

Good luck in your project.

G.

*Proving that humans are capable of forgetting even massive tragedy when they want to I’ve read multiple reports of banks becoming much more “creative” in financing. At least a couple in our area are lending 115% of purchase price on houses and bare land. This is the sort of thing that brought down the economy in 2008. There is another push going on to get “marginally” qualified buyers into mortgages so they can purchase homes. This may be very good social policy; but barely six years ago it was a major factor in the national economic meltdown.

Farm Credit - contact Marilyn Adams in Leesburg office of Farm Credit. What is the acreage? Most lenders are sensitive over 20 acres (as too much value is in the LAND vs. the home). If it’s more of an ag property, Farm Credit is the way to go.

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Not sure if this post belongs here, or elsewhere… But here goes:

Hubby and I are currently leasing a farm. We have been in negotiation with the owner to purchase, BUT this requires some creative financing because it is not a traditional living arrangement.

Main living quarters are a 1500 sq foot barn apartment (ground level), that is BUILT TO CODE. There is a second dwelling on the property- a small cottage, that is currently rented, and would remain rented.

We are in Virginia. We have been in touch with many different lenders, all who say they can get “creative”, but all balk and run when we mention the main dwelling is attached to the barn. And let me reiterate, the barndominium is BUILT TO CODE.

I don’t understand why we cannot get a traditional mortgage on this property. The house just happens to be attached to the barn. It doesn’t change the fact that it is a house. That house just happens to be attached to the barn.

Can anyone recommend any lenders or mortgage companies who may be able to help us out?

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It’s not hard to fall outside of the comfort range of any traditional mortgage.

While not ideal, if you can get a local bank to offer an unconventional mortgage, that can work. A non fixed rate may be necessary if you don’t have enough down payment for their satisfaction. The good news is if you pay aggressively you can get enough equity in the first few years to refinance with more agreeable long term rates.

Because of the excess land (100+ acres) and the mixed residential/commercial use of the property, we had to go with a “portfolio loan” (read: NOT underwritten by Fannie or Freddie and actually kept on the balance sheet of the bank). These are NOT going to be the kind of loans you will find at Wells Fargo and the other traditional mortgage lenders. Usually, they are available through regional banks or banks with a significant private banking or wealth management function.

Farm credit organizations are great but we were dissapointed that we couldn’t find 30 year fixed rate options (which was a necessity for us).

Be prepared to bring a substantial amount of the sales price to the closing table. Our portfolio loan would only give us 70% loan to value (so if the farm was $1 million, we would have had to bring $300k to closing).

Just my experience. Good luck. This was a big challenge for us but keep loooking!!!