North Forks Brenin Cardi

Do you think if his offspring start proving themselves more people will be open to this type of cross even if it is not sired by Cardi but is by another well bred cob stallion that throws that type of movement? I am sure some of the breeders in the welsh world would be able to point towards the bloodlines that could consistently throw big movement when put to the right mare, and the stallion might have been campaigned in something else (driving etc.).

It is true that there are few people breeding purebred welsh cobs. The count for 2012 represents one of mine. I put on the ground one purebred and one 3/4 bred that year. This year I have produced one purebred. It is also true that many of us who do breed them have our own stallion. One of the best things about Welsh Cobs are their versatility; so, yes I think those of us who are well versed in the breed could point to the bloodlines which consistently produce big movement whether they are demonstrating it in harness, in the dressage court or somewhere else. The one thing to always keep in mind that if dressage is the goal, the welsh cob who is produced for it must like to canter and find cantering easy. Putting a good trot on a welsh cob is one thing, making sure it produces an equal in quality canter can be quite another but there are the bloodlines that do it consistently.

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As far as a lack of purebred Cob mares to Cardi, there are very, very few people breeding Cobs currently, and a lot of times they have their own stallion, or one nearby. I don’t think it is any reflection on him that more are not being bred. In fact in 2012, there were only 24 purebred Section D Welsh Cobs registered with the WPCSA, which is a very low number.[/QUOTE]

true…and I have one of those and two more to register when I get around to it :slight_smile:
we all know one another if not by friendship by name. If we have our own, sometimes we call a friend for an outside breeding to a home bred…or not…
:slight_smile: it all just depends…

Tamara in TN

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Yes T what you say is all true. Interestingly enough though certainly not as well marketed or newsworthy. Desert Moon Champignon who was sired by another great stallion now deceased, Nescliffe Sunrise, is taking his new owner to finish her fourth level scores this weekend. He earned me my silver and is now making another owner very happy. This is a breed that allows amateurs who are willing to work hard so many accomplishments, pleasures and benefits. It’s always nice for the breed to have someone with the money and access to talent to get that word out; but, what shouldn’t be lost is that it’s not just one bloodline or just one breeding program that has discovered all that the breed can do :wink:

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I was never questioning his quality - I think he is a lovely stallion, and I think the fact that he is attracting breeders who have premium warmblood mares is supportive of him being quality. I was just curious to know whether he was also being crossed to Cob mares to continue on those bloodlines as well. [/QUOTE]

His co-owner has some nice cob mares that she breeds to Cardi as well. I’ve had the pleasure to meet several Cardi babies, both pure Welsh and WB/TB crosses.

Yes, the prices for the young stock are a bit high, but his stud fee is still very reasonable if one has a nice mare and the patience to wait for a foal to grow up.

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Do you think if his offspring start proving themselves more people will be open to this type of cross even if it is not sired by Cardi but is by another well bred cob stallion that throws that type of movement? QUOTE][/I]

I personally think that, if we do it correctly, the greatest boon to our four welsh breeds (sorry folks I keep to the British notions on this) is that their blood improves all the other breed they are put to…the same way the Morgans and Arabs did back in the day**
the sky is the limit for this but the initial animals must be selected for overall balanced traits and not just a big trot or fluffy mane and tail…

** and if you believe, as I do firmly, that Justin Morgan was a Welsh Cob D then in fact we have already improved the horse flesh here once already :wink:
best
Tamara in TN

Another advancing Welsh Gallod Welsh Thyme

I asked about how to sell my well started Welsh Cob mare a few years ago and got all kinds of appreciated advice and criticism. We sold her well and she grabbed her new owners heart in her teeth and is advancing in dressage. Trainers love her. Clinicians love her. It is impossible to train her and not laugh at her cleverness. She is competitive showing and judges like her as well. The problems are potentially metabolic and about keeping her trim and food makes her a pasture shark. She is an attention hog and thinks everyone comes to see her. I could not keep her with my Irish Draught herd as she was balloning fast and it would kill her over time. She is from a few generations of Susan Stepneys Gallod breeding. Susan has retired from breeding and placed her horses. The sire of this mare, BOT, stands where Swartzeneger stands in Canada. The Welsh Cobs are FUN. Peppery, trainable, a HUGE sense of humor, one of her trainers said…whose idea was it to put a pony brain in a horse. The gal who bought her is having such fun it just makes you smle to know you got the right horse in the right home. PatO

http://vidfetch.com/demos/freedown3/video/mUbtibhwj0c/Gallod%20Welsh%20Thyme.html

BOT and Tomas are great stallions!

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I keep hoping that people will post pictures of little welsh/warmblood babies. Or adults. I’ll take either.

In short, I’ve got nothing to add to this thread but I want to see pony cuteness.[/QUOTE]

I can help with that! :slight_smile: I have a purebred 9 month old filly, by North Forks Cardi. Here are some photos.

3 days old https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470634646357492&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106278.&type=3&theater

Cantering @ 11 weeks https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503140259773597&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106251.&type=3&theater

First Chirstmas https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549289891825300&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106245.&type=3&theater

Working in Hand https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=600745200013102&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106232.&type=3&theater

Cardi has several offspring that are showing. He has a section C son, who is stallion, that is competing at 4th level.

This was my experience growing up showing welsh ponies on the west coast in the 1980s and 1990s. Often the Canadians came down with absolutely beautiful stock, and they showed them exclusively in the halter classes.

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This was my experience growing up showing welsh ponies on the west coast in the 1980s and 1990s. Often the Canadians came down with absolutely beautiful stock, and they showed them exclusively in the halter classes.[/QUOTE]

That may have been the way it was 25-35 years ago…but is not the case for many Canadian breeders now! :wink: Not sure what this has to do with Welsh Cobs showing in dressage in 2014…but whatever. :wink:

Daventry “I think adelmo95’s experience has been strictly with a certain bloodline of ponies in Alberta. adelmo95, you might have to visit a Welsh show down in the U.S. one day…or come out to one of the ones we compete at! The top halter ponies “should” and do also win under saddle as well. Unfortunately, not very many Canadian breeders do performance with their ponies”

It was actually directly responding to your assertion regarding Canadian breeders today :slight_smile: ie not much seems to have changed.

For a more related topic, I find you can import a high quality welsh cob from England these days for a price ( including transportation costs) which is competitive with the top of the market here.

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I can help with that! :slight_smile: I have a purebred 9 month old filly, by North Forks Cardi. Here are some photos.

3 days old https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470634646357492&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106278.&type=3&theater

Cantering @ 11 weeks https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503140259773597&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106251.&type=3&theater

First Chirstmas https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549289891825300&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106245.&type=3&theater

Working in Hand https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=600745200013102&set=pb.470287943058829.-2207520000.1396106232.&type=3&theater

Cardi has several offspring that are showing. He has a section C son, who is stallion, that is competing at 4th level.[/QUOTE]

Finally!!! Thank you. Your pony is adorable!