Not For Love :(

Not For Love was euthanized from complications of colic today.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/212072/pensioned-top-maryland-sire-not-for-love-dies

It was a sucker punch to the gut when he was pensioned. To learn that he is now gone is devastating.

I have no great personal connection to the horse short of meeting him on quite a few occasions and caring for lots and LOTS of his offspring. But I sort of felt like we grew up together, as I was just starting out as a working teenager during his first years at stud. I remember not appreciating his breeding then, thinking he was no Northern Dancer, just a slightly above average racehorse who happened to be nice to look at (shows my knowledge). When his stock started rising, I still had a chip on my shoulder, thinking he was merely a big fish in a rapidly shrinking pond. But over the years, I have come to appreciate this horse so incredibly much. He essentially carried the Maryland breeding program on his back through some of its toughest times. And what’s even more incredible is how much he accomplished with such a mixed bag of mares. Many of his foals were nothing special in terms of breeding, but you could count on them to win, maybe even win big if you were lucky.

Rest Easy, Not For Love. He may have not been a household name, but we certainly lost a great one.

I was impressed with Not for Love when I saw him at Northview Open houses. He was an A+ nick with my Tb mare, but stud fee was too high for me. It only got higher as his offspring did better and better. Northview won’t be the same without him and my condolences to his connections.

Burst out laughing when California Chrome was running KY Derby and some pundits thought his mare’s breeding was “obscure”.

Still kicking myself over not buying a Not for Love young mare off the track (it was after the financial meltdown and I was laid off).

Can’t recall any pedigree or production conversations that I overheard or was involved in that Not For Love wasn’t included. Being the dam sire for Chrome was a beautiful swan song for his legacy.

RIP handsome. His foals retired to be sport horses had wings. Big jumpers for their small size. Eighttofasttocatch horse, his highest earning kid, is now an eventer.

he was really something special, condolences to all who knew or cared for him or his progeny… i have always liked his kids.

When Not for Love came on the market he was offered to me as a stallion prospect. Then as now the domestic stallion market was/is pretty thin. Especially for horses with a moderate race record and little to no stakes performance regardless of pedigree.

But Not for Love has/had an out standing pedigree and being a full brother to the the highly regarded and Champion 2 year old colt Rhythm a year before he was born certainly helped get people’s attention along with having the highly coveted Phipps blood. He was a well made horse also.

From the mid 80’s to late 90s my bread and butter business was brokering “inexpensive” stallion prospects to various parts of the world. I did a lot of business in South America especially Argentina. I had a close relationship with the leading stud farm Argentina, Haras La Quebrada the owner Hernán Ceriani Cernadas became a very good friend and mentor. He wanted Not for Love desperately. If he hadn’t been owned by Mr. Phipps he would have gone to stud in Argentina.

They turned down our offer because they wanted to keep the horse in this country. He was sold to Richard Golden who owns Northview in the spring of 95 for less than what I had offered for my client. If memory serves I pretty sure we offered $350,000. I seem to remember the asking price being $300,000.

Golden continued to race him making his next start in a graded stake at Hialeah with McGaughey and was unplaced. Transferred to a young Graham Motion who was just starting out on his own. He made 9 starts, 8 with Graham for Golden in 1995 all in Maryland. Unplaced in several stakes he did win 2 allowance races at Laurel. Retired to Northview in 1996.

The fact that he went on to be a highly respected stallion speaks volumes given the fact he was not getting “Kentucky quality” mares. Though people did take notice and shipped mare from KY to breed to him. He stood for as much as $25,000 I believe and settled to $15,000 to $20,000 for pretty much up unto the time he was retired. His fertility was a bit tricky in his later years. But he was well managed and if the mares being sent to him were the same they generally got in foal. I bred to him several times as did clients. Even though our farm is located pretty close to NV we chose to send the mare to them because they knew how to get them in foal. He was not always on a “regular” breeding schedule, timing was everything.

Kentucky came calling several times to purchase, re syndicate. Golden kept controlling interest in him when he was syndicated and had no interest in letting his Flagship horse be moved. Can’t blame him but I know the shareholders were not happy. They would have enjoyed a CONSIDERABLE return on their investment.

So there you have it a bit of the history behind the horse.

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When Not for Love was retired from racing he was offered to me as a stallion prospect. Then as now the domestic stallion market was/is pretty thin. Especially for horses with a moderate race record and little to no stakes performance regardless of pedigree.

But Not for Love has/had an out standing pedigree and being a full brother to the the highly regarded and Champion 2 year old colt Rhythm a year before he was born certainly helped get people’s attention along with having the highly coveted Phipps blood. He was a well made horse also.

From the mid 80’s to late 90s my bread and butter business was brokering “inexpensive” stallion prospects to various parts of the world. I did a lot of business in South America especially Argentina. I had a close relationship with the leading stud farm Argentina, Haras La Quebrada the owner Hernán Ceriani Cernadas became a very good friend and mentor. He wanted Not for Love desperately. If he hadn’t been owned by Mr. Phipps he would have gone to stud in Argentina.

They turned down our offer because they wanted to keep the horse in this country. He was sold to Richard Golden who owns Northview in the spring of 95 for less than what I had offered for my client. If memory serves I pretty sure we offered $350,000. I seem to remember the asking price being $300,000.

Golden continued to race him making his next start in a graded stake at Hialeah with McGaughey and was unplaced. Transferred to a young Graham Motion who was just starting out on his own. He made 9 starts, 8 with Graham for Golden in 1995 all in Maryland. Unplaced in several stakes he did win 2 allowance races at Laurel. Retired to Northview in 1996.

The fact that he went on to be a highly respected stallion speaks volumes given the fact he was not getting “Kentucky quality” mares. Though people did take notice and shipped mare from KY to breed to him. He stood for as much as $25,000 I believe and settled to $15,000 to $20,000 for pretty much up unto the time he was retired. His fertility was a bit tricky in his later years. But he was well managed and if the mares being sent to him were the same they generally got in foal. I bred to him several times as did clients. Even though our farm is located pretty close to NV we chose to send the mare to them because they knew how to get them in foal. He was not always on a “regular” breeding schedule, timing was everything.

Kentucky came calling several times to purchase, re syndicate and

[QUOTE=aahunterjumper;8685222]
I was impressed with Not for Love when I saw him at Northview Open houses. He was an A+ nick with my Tb mare, but stud fee was too high for me. It only got higher as his offspring did better and better. Northview won’t be the same without him and my condolences to his connections.

Burst out laughing when California Chrome was running KY Derby and some pundits thought his mare’s breeding was “obscure”.

Still kicking myself over not buying a Not for Love young mare off the track (it was after the financial meltdown and I was laid off).[/QUOTE]

Hope this doesn’t constitute an “advertisement” but we have a beautiful well made 9 year old mare by Not for Love who we are looking to find a home for. She has been re-schooled and is a very nice jumper. Everything out of the dam that we kept are great jumpers. Not what we bred for just turned out that way.

We sold her for $35,000 as a 2 year old in training. Did all right on the racetrack but the owners didn’t do “right” by her when she was retired. Ended up in a bad situation and we got up getting her back.

At the time we had 2 very promising half brothers one of which looked to be a “stakes horse” so we kept her “hanging around” for 3 years as a broodmare prospect. Things didn’t pan out so back to school she went.

Money isn’t as important as a good home preferably not a “re-sale project”. Feel free to contact me if interested. She stands a good 16 hands, very pretty and a good mover.

[QUOTE=gumtree;8685426]
Hope this doesn’t constitute an “advertisement” but we have a beautiful well made 9 year old mare by Not for Love who we are looking to find a home for. She has been re-schooled and is a very nice jumper. Everything out of the dam that we kept are great jumpers. Not what we bred for just turned out that way.

We sold her for $35,000 as a 2 year old in training. Did all right on the racetrack but the owners didn’t do “right” by her when she was retired. Ended up in a bad situation and we got up getting her back.

At the time we had 2 very promising half brothers one of which looked to be a “stakes horse” so we kept her “hanging around” for 3 years as a broodmare prospect. Things didn’t pan out so back to school she went.

Money isn’t as important as a good home preferably not a “re-sale project”. Feel free to contact me if interested. She stands a good 16 hands, very pretty and a good mover.[/QUOTE]

If I remember correctly, you (Gumtree) had a post or thread several years ago about a horse that you “rescued” back, along with pictures. Is this the same mare? Just curious–it somehow rang a bell with me.

RIP Not for Love. Definitely an influential sire even not located in KY :slight_smile:

My goal for my mare was always to produce something nice enough to justify spending the money to send her to NFL. So sorry that never happened. It is definitely an end of an era here.

[QUOTE=betonbill;8685487]
If I remember correctly, you (Gumtree) had a post or thread several years ago about a horse that you “rescued” back, along with pictures. Is this the same mare? Just curious–it somehow rang a bell with me.[/QUOTE]

Good memory. Yes, same horse. After she was brought back from the brink and re-schooled. I was offered very good money for her. But at the time her 2 year old half brother was training exceptionally well. So I decided to not to sell her and turned her out with the broodmares. Like most things with horses things didn’t go as planned/hoped,lol.

[QUOTE=Where’sMyWhite;8685638]
RIP Not for Love. Definitely an influential sire even not located in KY :)[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, there’s precedent for influential sires at that location - formerly Windfields Farm Stallion Division.