Yeah, too much TV (TVG? :lol: )
For a reasonably long time, I’ve seen the Beyer figures as they relate to what a given horse has done.
Lately it seems more mention of Timeform and racing in the UK appears to also use Timeform.
In your opinion, which is of more value and what’s the difference from your perspective (I know I can read about both but would like your view).
TIA as always!
'mother question for all you more savvy race people - Beyer vs Timeform
Why doesn’t your 'mother join COTH and she can ask her own questions?
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'mother question for all you more savvy race people - Beyer vs Timeform
Why doesn’t your 'mother join COTH and she can ask her own questions?[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
Very funny Shammy. OP,someone will answer your question I’m sure. 
Beyer speed figures are heavily, almost exclusively, based on time, with coefficients for how the track is playing etc. In other words time is the yardstick that horses are being measured by, with the aforementioned adjustments.
TimeformUS figures take into account the time, but also the pace and shape of the race and other factors like weight carried etc.
Traditional Timeform figures in GB/IRE were basically handicap ratings, based on heavily on a visual performance and how one horses stacks up against another. So the yardstick is more the horses themselves. So horse A wins a race by 7 lengths, getting 3 pounds from B on good ground going 10f, and horse B is rated at 105lbs (number pulled out of the air), then they give horse A a rating of let’s say 109. Then next time out horse A loses to horse C by half a length at level weights, then we can say horse C is 111 lbs etc.
Drvmb1ggl3 Thank you!
So it sounds like TimeformUS doesn’t really translate to the Timeform that I’m seeing in the UK races.
And if I was gonna bet (which no, I’m avoiding that like the plaque ) that TimeformUS might give a more useful reflection of a horse’s “predictive” performance (not that one can predict anything which is why they run the race 
).
Just interesting to know what all the “handicapping” info there is available and seeing even with all that, that the “favorite” doesn’t always win.
Although the last few days, if I’d bet Paco Lopez at Monmouth and I’d probably win 
These two links might be helpful.
http://www.racepedia.co.uk/blog/betting-tips/a-guide-to-understanding-timeform/
What is the system which ranks horses in negative figures? I.e. A horse which runs a 2 ran a better race than a horse which receives a 5. And horses who get a negative number ran exceptionally well.
All of this gives me a headache which is why I tend to bet on the pretty horse. If there are 2 unusually good looking horses, I then decide by who has the best name. It is amazing how often a beautiful horse with a regal name beats an ugly horse named Debbie’s Gumballmachine.
Where’smywhite: You and your mother might enjoy this handicapping series of links. Written by Lenny Moon, it is a great primer and reference.
http://www.equinometry.com/2012/12/06/past-performances/
http://www.equinometry.com/2012/12/20/class/
http://www.equinometry.com/2013/03/05/pace/
http://www.equinometry.com/2013/04/28/speed-figures/
. . . . . and so on.
Lord Helpus: Mrs Shammy has a similar system to yours. She bets her favorite silk colors on a horse with a name she likes and usually ends up in the money. I’m the one with negative handicapping system. It is figured at the end of the day by subtracting the amount of $$$$ I anticipated winning to the amount of $$$$ I didn’t anticipate losing. It comes out negative every time.
As for a handicapping system with negative numbers, I prefer to stay away from them.
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What is the system which ranks horses in negative figures? I.e. A horse which runs a 2 ran a better race than a horse which receives a 5. And horses who get a negative number ran exceptionally well.
All of this gives me a headache which is why I tend to bet on the pretty horse. If there are 2 unusually good looking horses, I then decide by who has the best name. It is amazing how often a beautiful horse with a regal name beats an ugly horse named Debbie’s Gumballmachine. :D[/QUOTE]
"The Sheets"AKA Rag Number. Just about anybody I know that is really into handicapping and betting proper money go by the Rag Number. Do the same when looking to buy one.
I didn’t pick up on this. Actually the rankings are ascending and descending. Not negative. I read “The odds must be crazy” by Ragozin some years back. Interesting stuff.
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