Now he's eating poop *UDATE LAB WORK*

okay, so one thing we’ve never talked about is Dexter’s diet. Dexter gets Nutrena Special Care (nsc 15%, 14%protein, 7% fat). He was on this at the surgical center (nutrena isn’t my favorite company) and due to ulcers and bouts of enteritis nobody including me wants to do big diet changes with him as long as he is gaining weight slightly and his coat is shiny and hooves look good etc. until he stabilizes.

He is is a tall 15.1-15.2 NARROW TWH that at his sickest taped at 750 lbs and was about a low end 4, high end 3 at that. He’s about 800 lbs now. He has never been an easy keeper. He gets 7 lbs of feed spread out over four feedings and 4 lbs of outlast gastric supplement spread out across four feedings. His feed is wet mash.

He has free choice Timothy alfalfa mix in hay bags, he gets an additional maybe pound in his manger with each feeding of orchard grass hay which he mainly plays with and wastes. He gets another 8 pounds of alfalfa at about 2 pounds between grain feedings.

Equiotic probiotics. 1/2 tube of gastrogard (on taper goes to 1/4 tomorrow) two hours of graze time on a Bermuda, fescue, lawn. 45cc of corn oil (based on hindgut coating studies I’ve read). He has a redrock block (mostly salt an I can add some trace mineral to the mix). He drinks about 15-20 gallons of my well water which I have tested often and is also filtered.

When his turn out times increased that he was out long enough to actually poop in his play pen, he turned straight to it, sniffed and started eating. I took it from him and he continued to worry with the area. Now he’s eating it in his stall as well. But it only seems to be the first pile or two after he comes in from the grass or right after his alfalfa.

Is he seriously just just trying to eat leftover grass and alfalfa? And any ideas what’s in there he’s hunting?

Wow that is a weird one! I have a gelded-late horn dog who eats the poop of ladies, but I don’t think I’ve seen one eat their own poop. That does sound a little troubling. Good luck and would love to hear any explanations for that odd behavior.

He’s hunting something to better populate his gut flora.

The corn oil isn’t really coating anything - it’s digestible. But, the one study did show that there’s something about it - they don’t know what - which can help heal ulcers, either actively help heal, or help set up some healing situation. AFAIK that was stomach ulcer though.

Look into Equishure and Bioponge

Can you switch to Triple Crown Sr? Lower NSC :slight_smile:

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I’d consider a good probiotic. Equiotic, perhaps.

He’s on equiotic. Lol. I could switch to proviable or the equiotic paste as it has double the count of the regular daily packets. I have equisure that I haven’t started yet because I was waiting until the gastrogard was complete. Same thing with the biosponge.

Does it make any difference that he’s only eating the green poops?

Ha. Okay, maybe something other than Equiotic :lol:

If you want to go crazy, you could do a fecal transplant from another horse. But really, he’s been through a lot and while eating manure is distasteful, it’s not terribly abnormal or unexpected. His flora has been badly disrupted…it’s par for the course that he’s looking to replenish and rebalance.

Does he have manure from another horse available? It really might not be a terrible idea to allow him to sample “samples” from a healthy friend.

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Just like the fecal transplants they are doing for humans…

I raise rabbits and on occasion I get called by a vet here to hand feed a litter of wild rabbits (people don’t see mom and think she’s abandoned them or has been killed) because I can feed them the night droppings from healthy adults. Rabbit gut bacteria isn’t well understood and often probiotics don’t get the job done because they are missing essential things. so I am not as shocked by the feed him poop suggestion as others might be.

Just got off off the phone with the vet. DEXTER’'S LIVER ENZYMES HAVE NORMALIZED!!! I want to shout from a roof top. Seriously. He also said Dexter is bored from being stalled 22 hours a day and he’s likely eating poop to alleviate boredom.

His total protein is a little low as low as well but not detrimental and recommended taking an if it ain’t broke don’t fix it approach and suggested shorter turnout more frequently to see if that helps. Thoughts?

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It is ok to have him on Equishure at the same time as Gastrogard. One shouldn’t have any effect on the other in a negative way. It could help to normalize the pH of the hind gut which can get irritated from GG use.

My horse is obsessed–OBSESSED–with the poop of 2 different geldings at the barn, both of which eat completely different diets apart from the grass hay everyone eats. I haven’t figured it out. It’s bad. Like if I am sharing an arena and one of those horses poops, my horse is dragging me sideways/backwards/whatever to get to it to eat it. If I ask him to leave it alone, he rears straight up. Anyway, I never figured that one out, and my vet just laughs it off. I don’t know if it’s a pH thing or hormonal or an odor or bacterial. He will also occasionally (more, rarely) eat his own poop, but just a little bit at a time. But I have found that when his belly is a bit off, combining a couple different brands of pre/probiotics helps, as well as double dosing some of them. The concoction that seems to work for him is Platinum Balance and Probiotics. Double dose Probiotics works better than double dosing the Balance.

I dunno about the boredom thing. I’ve seen it with horses that run out of hay/forage for long periods but not so much with ones who always have something better to eat available. I don’t think I’d be highly concerned right now, though, but more if it persists even after he’s off GG and the rest keeps trending more towards normal.

I’m thinking it’s got to be something he is getting from the grass that he’s not getting in feed or hay. He seriously does not even investigate his hay poops or his feed poops. He eats a little of the alfalfa poop but with the grass poop it’s like his head is in a feed bucket (and also gets cranky if you take it from him). So idk it’s just plain strange.