I don’t know. What I DO know is mine wouldn’t touch either of those, but he loves this. If you’d like, you could pm me your address and I could send you a sample. He’s recovering from surgery and I tried everything (I swear) to get him to eat. He loves this. He will eat their Natural Balance Timothy Cubes soaked with it. I do dampen the TC Active.
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Replying to myself because I get frustrated w the edit button…mine is actually eating 15 pounds of this a day as we transition to hay. It also has a rewards thing… a free bag after 15 bags. It’s not much but it is something.
I just bought a bag to try as it’s similar to the Standlee one I am currently feeding but $3 less per bag. I haven’t given them any yet though because my DH fed for me both days this weekend and changing instructions with the non-horse person feeding didn’t seem like a great idea lol
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Aww thanks @NaturallyHappy! I wish I could trust a sample would tell me the whole story LOL But at this point, I think once I get rid of the Complete, I’ll just bite the bullet and try a bag of the TC Sr Active. Right now, the Complete, Purina Sr Active, and Nutrena SafeChoice Sr are all in bags on the floor, because the 3 trashcans are taken up by alfalfa pellets and TC Balancer for the other 2, plus I put a bag of Omolene 400 in the other can thinking for SURE that would be a nice sweet enticement, but he disagrees 
So, no room for yet another bag right now lol
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I feel your pain. I’ve given away so much to my neighbors.
. If it works, be advised that (around here) it can be hard to get. Sometimes I have to ship it to my home.
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Quoting myself! Just wrapping my brain around this (Chardonnay is not helping) …if I feed 4 lbs. of 14% (Complete) that will be 28% protein?
Other than the top numbers, it looks like these numbers are per pound?
Until it gets into my brain, the Min/Max, PPM , and IU/LB is eluding me when it comes to quantity. The IU/LB seems obvious - if I feed 4 lbs, then multiply by 4. I would assume the PPM would be the same? Would the NACL, Calcium, Phosphorus max then multiply by 4?
Thanks!!!
If a product is 28% protein and you feed 1lb, and you feed something with 1/2 that protein (14%) then you need to feed 2lb to equal the same total grams protein
None of these numbers are per pound other than the vitamins. They are to tell you how many mg and gm of each nutrient are in however much you’re feeding. All feeds and supplements are (supposed to be) listed this way - certain nutrients in %, certain nutrients in ppm (parts per million, which is mg/kg), vitamins in IU, pre/probiotics in CFU
ppm is mg/kg, which is mg/2.2lb. For every 2.2lb, you have 60mg of copper. If you want to know how much in 1lb, then divide 60 by 2.2 to get 27.27mg. If you feed 4lb, then multiple 27.27 by 4 to get 109.09mg of copper in 4lb.
NaCl, Ca, P are all listed as a %. 454gm is 1lb, so 2% of that is 9.08gm.
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I just got some from Chewy and my two mares love it, immediately inhaled it and begged for more. They like the regular triple crown senior but not the triple crown gold, and also turn their nose up at many of the other low NSC feeds. I like it because I’m trying to keep them on a soy free diet and I can cut out the supplemental flax.
Coming back to my own thread after all of this time. I just picked up my first bag of Complete from TSC. I was going to go ahead and get more Forage Only since I’ve basically been back to that and KIS Trace, but they had one ripped bag of FO and several bags of Complete, so I figured why not. I still have some FO.
I gave Mr. Horse a small handful and he scarfed it down and frisked me for more. He loves the FO, so I imagine he’ll love this too.
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Thats great to hear! I just heard that its finally coming to Canada in August and I’m hoping I will be able to get some in my area in Ontario. It would be great for my ponies, especially my IR boy.
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Back to share more experience with Unbeetable Complete. I haven’t been feeding it at a high rate because I feed a forage balancer (KIS Trace) so just around 2 pounds per day, which I know isn’t the point of the feed. Horse likes it, he’s stayed in great condition…super shiny (but he also gets Empower Boost…which is my go-to for shine and condition).
After doing some reading and thinking, I realized that the feed has added iron, which is not something my horse needs at all. And also realizing that it’s basically throwing money away since he doesn’t eat it as it’s intended (a fortified/complete feed) and I should just go back to the Forage Only.
But for whatever reason, I decided to get some Standlee Alfalfa-Timothy cubes instead, to give fat horse more bulk and chew time with his brekkie and din-din. His pasture mate is a slow eater, so anything to extend his meals so he doesn’t eat all of the hay while she’s finishing up is good.
I may have to go back to Forage Only. It could be a coincidence, but he’s a little bonkers on the Alf-Tim cubes. Fixated on things in the distance. Spooked at “suspicious pattern in dirt” while riding yesterday. He’s not completely immune to spooks, but it usually takes a little more than that!
I don’t know. Maybe it’s just a coincidence. I hope so. He loves the cubes and it really does slow him down so he and his girlfriend finish their meals around the same time (sometimes she finishes before him now!).
As for the Unbeetable Complete…I still think it’s a pretty great feed. Just need to lose that added iron and it’d be perfect for a horse that can eat the recommended amount and can’t do soy or grain.
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At around 600ppm (2 numbers listed, one a bit lower, one a bit higher), 2lb is 545mg, which does seem like a lot. But, I would bet that the vast majority of that is from the alfalfa, beep, and timothy
Check the Forage Only page. April iron ppm came in at 624, and March was over 700
Intrinsic iron is part of a horse’s life. Unless they’re EMS/IR, they have a hormone which down regulates iron uptake when there’s enough in the body. Otherwise, horses would constantly be overloaded with iron, and they aren’t.
Equi-Analytical puts “grass hay” at an average of 211ppm. At 22lb for an 1100lb horse, that’s 2110mg of Fe.
In other words, don’t get hung up on a number without more context 
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Okay, this makes me happy. The more I’ve thought about my horse since making the switch (and he’s still getting a little of the Unbeetable Complete to finish off what was left and ease him into the cubes…the less happy I am since I started the cubes and reduced the UC. He’s passing more gas than usual, and the “spookiness” mentioned in my other post. This could be coincidence too. We’ve finally had enough rain for there to be a (very) little bit of grass in his small pasture, so maybe that’s it. Or maybe it’s just the introduction of the cubes and he’s getting used to it.
I like that the UC has some fat and Vit. E, though he gets plenty of both of those elsewhere in his diet as well.
I think I’ll return him to the UC. If nothing else, it soaks up pretty much instantly, whereas the soaking of the cubes is a bit more of a chore.
I think my need to constantly tweak my horse’s already good diet borders on a disorder! I don’t do this with the dog. I know what works for him and would never dream of changing it (because what doesn’t work for him nearly killed him at one point, so there’s that). But I just keep trying to “improve” the horse’s diet when it’s already perfectly fine. Better than fine, actually.
Thanks for the reality check, @JB
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