I don’t know. I don’t know what the jockey’s explanation was. What if he said something like “I was afraid if I took a hold of him to pull him up it would knock him off balance even more so I just let him ease himself.”
[QUOTE=Angelico;7509961]
I told my friend, the trainer, and all he could do was tell the jockey to hold him back. Luckily the horse did poorly. You can’t scratch that close to the race, and notifying the commission would be useless, as they’d just test the horse and blame the trainer. The syringe was long gone by then. That owner was not welcome in his barn again.[/QUOTE]
Lemme get this straight. Your trainer told another trainer’s jockey to hold a horse back (also another trainer’s horse) in a race, and the jock actually agreed but then he didn’t have to because the horse ran poorly anyway? WTF…good thing he didn’t have to follow your trainer’s instructions, and get suspended for years for throwing a race.
Read my mind Toadie…
FWIW, I didn’t see anything about a trainer telling another trainer’s jockey to hold a horse back. What I read was that the trainer, after hearing about the owner drugging his horse, went to his (own) jockey and told him to hold him (the horse he was training) back. I’m not saying that is right or wrong, but it doesn’t appear to be a trainer interfering with another trainer.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7509951]
… I just gave you a vivid description of watching an owner go into the barn with a syringe while the trainer was busy. There are more but that was one that hit closest to home, as he jeopardized a good friend’s livelihood. I sure hope all you east-coasters aren’t this dense.[/QUOTE]
I have heard of this happening. Story was trainer from South America trained for a guy who actually used to be a trainer in s. America. Goes in before race and there you go. Very easy to do
My only overage was caused by the owner but it wasn’t malicious, just cheap. One of my friends had her ex give a horse so much bute it is a wonder it didn’t kill the horse. The horse tested over 7 times the limit.
[QUOTE=Toadie’s mom;7511386]
Lemme get this straight. Your trainer told another trainer’s jockey to hold a horse back (also another trainer’s horse) in a race, and the jock actually agreed but then he didn’t have to because the horse ran poorly anyway? WTF…good thing he didn’t have to follow your trainer’s instructions, and get suspended for years for throwing a race.[/QUOTE]
Slow down on the wine, read Falconfree’s comment for comprehension.
ETA: the first and second place finishers in a race go to the test barn
[QUOTE=spotted draft x filly;7501235]
Laurie you basically admitted to doing pretty much the same thing as some of the trainers in question. It’s one thing to offer all those injections, pills, and pain relief if he was out of work, but you’re doing it so you can continue jumping him.[/QUOTE]
Huge difference between keeping a pleasure horse sound enough to be ridden (and OMYGOSH jumped a bit) and a horse that can take out any number of horses and riders if he breaks down in a race, a horse that is very often technicially “for sale” for large amounts (to me) of money, and MOST importantly that people are BETTING on. Keeping an old horse comfortable is one thing, over medicating a young horse who needs to be rested until his legs break, his tendons bow or his feet fall off is quite another. Cheating the betters is another. Ripping off people by duct taping a horse together until they can dump him on another owner is yet another. Using drugs to move a horse up by either boosting his performance or simply keeping him performing when he should be on stall rest or on pasture is not “therapeutic”. It’s misuse.
[QUOTE=skydy;7504014]
Thanks Laurie.
Yikes. I don’t think it is in the horse’s best interest to race with a hoof in such poor shape. JMHO.[/QUOTE]
He didn’t race like this. They were working him over the turf before the breeder’s cup and he stepped on his foot with his other foot and sheared it off. He was immediately retired.
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;7510223]
No giving a pass to this one. Even when the horse leveled out on the left lead it was pretty clear the second it swapped back to the right there was a big issue.
However I’ve been next to a horse who broke out of a starting chute and broke her pelvis. We heard the pop but her rider didn’t and she ran HARD until the calf was roped. It wasn’t until she pulled up and went to walk off that it was obvious something major bad happened. Adrenaline carries a long way.
Wasn’t there also that really nice filly a few years ago that broke a pelvis won the race and then bled to death after…sometimes its not so black and white and to call it blatant abuse really should be case by case and based on those involved.[/QUOTE]
That was in the Breeders Cup but she didn’t win, she was pulled up pretty quickly (had a sharper jock I guess!) and she died that night. I forget if it happened earlier or that night but one of the sharp bones of the broken pelvis cut a large vessel and she bled out (or maybe they euthanized her when they realized it was happening). I can’t remember her name, started with an R?? but it was a turf race. A horse next door to me years ago ran into another horse and broke his pelvis and the same thing happened but he died within 30 minutes or so. I gather it isn’t unusual for that to happen.
[QUOTE=summerhorse;7511862]
That was in the Breeders Cup but she didn’t win, she was pulled up pretty quickly (had a sharper jock I guess!) and she died that night. I forget if it happened earlier or that night but one of the sharp bones of the broken pelvis cut a large vessel and she bled out (or maybe they euthanized her when they realized it was happening). I can’t remember her name, started with an R?? but it was a turf race. A horse next door to me years ago ran into another horse and broke his pelvis and the same thing happened but he died within 30 minutes or so. I gather it isn’t unusual for that to happen.[/QUOTE]
Your thinking of Spanish Fern…I know Indian Flare also passed away from a similar injury.
For some reason I keep thinking there was one that passed away after the race , collapsed after the wire and ran well.
[QUOTE=summerhorse;7511825]
He didn’t race like this. They were working him over the turf before the breeder’s cup and he stepped on his foot with his other foot and sheared it off. He was immediately retired.[/QUOTE]
Thanks summerhorse. I feel better now.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7511704]
Slow down on the wine, read Falconfree’s comment for comprehension.
ETA: the first and second place finishers in a race go to the test barn[/QUOTE]
Wine? Oh I wish! Haven"t had a drink since Jan. Maybe I’m too sober to follow your vast knowledge. So sorry for interpreting your post incorrectly
I am not a wine drinker Toadie’s Mom but let us know when you can have a drink again and we can all toast your recovery!
[QUOTE=Angelico;7511704]
Slow down on the wine, read Falconfree’s comment for comprehension [/QUOTE]
Anjelico; That was really uncalled for. Do you behave this way towards people IRL ,or are you only nasty on line?
I’m sure that you have experience and knowledge to share. Why discredit yourself by being rude?
Wherever it is that you find such hostility to be OK, I feel for the people who can’t avoid you. People can be ignored on a BB, in real life, not so much.
Hopefully you are getting your hostility out on COTH and not IRL. In any case, it doesn’t seem like a pleasure to know you.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7509286]
I guarantee you this jockey was trying to stay alive, not win the race.[/QUOTE]
I call BS on you. We see no attemps to slow down or pull up the horse. Trying to “stay alive” would have included that.
He rode the horse. Period.
I agree w/ others about your attitudes. You are not winning over any friends to racing, but actually driving them away.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7512449]
I am not a wine drinker Toadie’s Mom but let us know when you can have a drink again and we can all toast your recovery![/QUOTE]
You’ll be 1 of the 1st! Yep, not drunk, but I am bored :winkgrin:
Join the club, stall rest sucks!
The problem is - we as backseat drivers see a very different picture than the jockey riding the horse. I would imagine he thought the horse was misbehaving. We’ve seen many many examples of shoulda, coulda, woulda. It’s real easy to second guess these things when you see it from a youtube video rather than sitting on the horse.
[QUOTE=minnie;7509191]
If I were a trainer, I’d certainly never put him up on a hose of mine, whether or not he got days or fimed. If he’s that stupid that he doesn’t pull up a horse as obviously offas Cooper was, he’d certainly not be able to detect and pull up a lesser unsoundness![/QUOTE]
I hate to tell you this minnie, but some riders are used because they will “ride anything”. Not saying this is the case here, but true nonetheless
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