ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED
The jockey had to know something, anything, THIS IT BE NOT RIGHT, get a clue, yet they kept running anyway. There is NO excuse! None.
Make up all the excuses you want Laurie.
Racing has just crept to an all new low in my view.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7509951]
… I just gave you a vivid description of watching an owner go into the barn with a syringe while the trainer was busy. There are more but that was one that hit closest to home, as he jeopardized a good friend’s livelihood. I sure hope all you east-coasters aren’t this dense.[/QUOTE]
Not thinking it’s an East Coast vs wherever, but possibly the quality of racing that you hang out in…by the way, I was at Oaklawn, kicked butt there too.
[QUOTE=ThisTooShallPass;7509994]
The jockey had to know something, anything, THIS IT BE NOT RIGHT, get a clue, yet they kept running anyway. There is NO excuse! None.
Make up all the excuses you want Laurie.
Racing has just crept to an all new low in my view.[/QUOTE]
I am an ex jock, and was a work rider for many good outfits. This meaning that I’ve been on the backs of 1000’s of horses when they were running at near top speed. I’ve been on horses that aren’t good movers, have high action, run with their heads down, etc. In this case, if one takes a bad step they get a stride or two to even out and if they don’t I’d pull one up in a hurry.
This horse appears to hit the side of the gate when he breaks, the jock gets him straightened out and after few jumps he seems to be traveling okay based on what I could see in the video…so no giant red flags for the rider. When he switches leads is when there seems to be a big issue. Should the rider have pulled him up pronto? Probably, but unfortunately some of these riders are not the sharpest pencils in the box.
Make all the excuses ya’ll want.
I am still disgusted.
I’m not sure where I’m making excuses for what happened, but I suppose if you haven’t actually done it I shouldn’t expect you to get it.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7509054]
The horse broke it’s pelvis coming out of the gate. Obviously should have been pulled up but I don’t know about being used and abused.[/QUOTE]
Oh, hell! :no:
I thought that perhaps the jock was not picking up on some subtle signs that the horse was off. Then I watched the video. That was horrible. 
No giving a pass to this one. Even when the horse leveled out on the left lead it was pretty clear the second it swapped back to the right there was a big issue.
However I’ve been next to a horse who broke out of a starting chute and broke her pelvis. We heard the pop but her rider didn’t and she ran HARD until the calf was roped. It wasn’t until she pulled up and went to walk off that it was obvious something major bad happened. Adrenaline carries a long way.
Wasn’t there also that really nice filly a few years ago that broke a pelvis won the race and then bled to death after…sometimes its not so black and white and to call it blatant abuse really should be case by case and based on those involved.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7508108]
I’ve seen dozens of instances where the OWNER has snuck in the barn before a race and given a horse a substance, totally unbeknownst to the scapegoat, aka the trainer.[/QUOTE]
Statements like this is why I wonder if you are real, a figment of your own imagination, or a mole planted by PETA to make people in the industry look like morons.
Let me dissect the statement. You SAW - that is, you were a WITNESS - to owners doing this. Not just once. Dozens of times. So it might have been “unbeknownst” to the trainer, but obviously not to you - by your own admission. You had the choice to say something. If you didn’t, it’s YOUR fault that the trainer became a scapegoat. If you had, wouldn’t an ethical trainer have scratched the horse? And I wonder what it says about you that dozens of owners have done this in your presence - remember, you said you SAW it - with impunity. Personally, though, I think this is horse poop.
[QUOTE=Angelico;7508108]
I’ve seen dozens of instances where the OWNER has snuck in the barn before a race and given a horse a substance, totally unbeknownst to the scapegoat, aka the trainer.[/QUOTE]
Statements like this is why I wonder if you are real, a figment of your own imagination, or a mole planted by PETA to make people in the industry look like morons.
Let me dissect the statement. You SAW - that is, you were a WITNESS - to owners doing this. Not just once. Dozens of times. So it might have been “unbeknownst” to the trainer, but obviously not to you - by your own admission. You had the choice to say something. If you didn’t, it’s YOUR fault that the trainer became a scapegoat. And I wonder what it says about you that dozens of owners have done this in your presence - remember, you said you SAW it - with impunity. Personally, though, I think this is horse poop.
And to Angelico, as far as scratching a horse before a race, it can be done. Trainer says horse is acting colicky, etc and bam, your horse is scratched.
[QUOTE=TemJeito;7510302]
Statements like this is why I wonder if you are real, a figment of your own imagination, or a mole planted by PETA to make people in the industry look like morons.
Let me dissect the statement. You SAW - that is, you were a WITNESS - to owners doing this. Not just once. Dozens of times. So it might have been “unbeknownst” to the trainer, but obviously not to you - by your own admission. You had the choice to say something. If you didn’t, it’s YOUR fault that the trainer became a scapegoat. And I wonder what it says about you that dozens of owners have done this in your presence - remember, you said you SAW it - with impunity. Personally, though, I think this is horse poop.[/QUOTE]
You do NOT talk to other trainer’s owners like that. That is between the owner and the trainer. I will always tell the trainer in private what I saw, but I would NEVER walk up to someone else’s client and tell them what they could and couldn’t do with their own horse.
Acertainsmile: Actually it is damn near impossible or it would have been done. Not that what you say means much, you obviously couldn’t stick with it. I doubt you kicked butt at any track, if you did you’d still be in the game.
I hate to see a great sport lost to ignorant people, but personally I’d see it die before I let the show horse and PETA crowd overtake it.
Angelico, once again you are misinformed. Yes you can scratch a horse, even walking over to the paddock if you had to. Been there, done that.
We had a great meet at Oaklawn, won a Grade 3, and plenty of races. There is this thing called retirement, you actually can do that in the racing business if you’ve done well enough. 
[QUOTE=Angelico;7510355]
You do NOT talk to other trainer’s owners like that. That is between the owner and the trainer. I will always tell the trainer in private what I saw, but I would NEVER walk up to someone else’s client and tell them what they could and couldn’t do with their own horse
I hate to see a great sport lost to ignorant people, but personally I’d see it die before I let the show horse and PETA crowd overtake it.[/QUOTE]
This sounds like a lot of BS to me but anyone who sits back and watches people do illegal things that can cause harm to horses shouldn’t really be surprised if their sport is something that PETA or animal welfare groups or even just compassionate horsepeople want to get involved in for the sake of the defenseless horses.
I once scratched a horse because she had flies on her. I bred her so I knew her since the second she was born and knew it wasn’t normal for her to stand there and not shake or swish the flies off. I didn’t tell the stewards that was why I scratched, I just said she wasn’t feeling well. I never once had trouble scratching a horse and I never once ran a sore horse so I ended up scratching plenty of them when something unexpected showed up after they took entries.
The poor horse looked like it was moving sideways right from the start. Good grief! That jock should never be allowed to ride any horse again. Ignorance or abuse? In the end, what does it matter?
“Only ignorance! only ignorance! how can you talk about only ignorance? Don’t you know that it is the worst thing in the world, next to wickedness?”
… Black Beauty, 1877
Things haven’t changed much in 140 years.
Heck Flanders won the B.C. Juv with a fractured leg! I’m not saying what happend was right, but each horse handles each injury differently. Last lay up facility I worked at, 2 colts came in. 1 had a fractured sesmoid, the other a pretty bad slab fracture. Guess which one was non weight bearing and which one was carrying on like there was nothing wrong? The one with the minor fractured sesmoid was in the most pain and we had to do more for him to make him comfortable and be able to bear weight on that leg again. Just something to think about
[QUOTE=spotted draft x filly;7511205]
Heck Flanders won the B.C. Juv with a fractured leg! I’m not saying what happend was right, but each horse handles each injury differently. Last lay up facility I worked at, 2 colts came in. 1 had a fractured sesmoid, the other a pretty bad slab fracture. Guess which one was non weight bearing and which one was carrying on like there was nothing wrong? The one with the minor fractured sesmoid was in the most pain and we had to do more for him to make him comfortable and be able to bear weight on that leg again. Just something to think about[/QUOTE]
I’ve been around that mare and she was TOUGH. AS. NAILS.
Yes and she was also a sweetheart too. Loved to have her ears scratched
[QUOTE=rcloisonne;7511048]
The poor horse looked like it was moving sideways right from the start. Good grief! That jock should never be allowed to ride any horse again. Ignorance or abuse? In the end, what does it matter?
“Only ignorance! only ignorance! how can you talk about only ignorance? Don’t you know that it is the worst thing in the world, next to wickedness?”
… Black Beauty, 1877
Things haven’t changed much in 140 years.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think that quoting a fictional childrens novel really is applicable.
Again without knowing the horse / the jock / you and I can only say what “we” think we would have done. Yes the horse was galloping sideways on that right lead but as Laurie pointed out …maybe the jock though the horse was bolting for the rail, or trying to duck out. Once the horse swapped leads it evened out and looked much better until the swap back to the right lead.
The onus is on the trainer/jock and “if” the horses welfare was not looked after I hope there were appropriate consequences.
While we are all firmly perched upon our computer chairs watching you tube I will defualt to those that were there on and around the horse in question. If it looked like heck to us I’m certain it did to the stewards and other officials around that day.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7509198]
We’ll he has already ridden another horse for that trainer.[/QUOTE]
So what does that say about the trainer?! :mad:
