If I were a trainer, I’d certainly never put him up on a hose of mine, whether or not he got days or fimed. If he’s that stupid that he doesn’t pull up a horse as obviously offas Cooper was, he’d certainly not be able to detect and pull up a lesser unsoundness!
We’ll he has already ridden another horse for that trainer.
So - Does that means that he did not receive any sanctions from any sort of racing governance for that huge FAIL in horsemanship? (or perhaps he was fined, but obviously allowed to still race - if he has raced since this incident as claimed above).
What do the racing governing bodies do to protect the horse from this sort of debacle and unnecessary suffering?
If they were going to do something they would have to schedule a hearing then he would appeal whatever ruling he got and would be allowed to ride during the appeal process so this could take months.
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So - Does that means that he did not receive any sanctions from any sort of racing governance for that huge FAIL in horsemanship? (or perhaps he was fined, but obviously allowed to still race - if he has raced since this incident as claimed above).
What do the racing governing bodies do to protect the horse from this sort of debacle and unnecessary suffering?[/QUOTE]
Chances are he already had days and if he was fined, that is between him and the stewards. You won’t hear about it.
I’ve never had a horse break a pelvis while I was riding it, so I would have no idea what that would feel like. I don’t know how anyone can assume they “would have done” this and that if they haven’t experienced it. When you are riding that short, things feel different, you don’t have the luxury of contact with your seat and legs. Being off in a front leg is much easier to feel. I guarantee you this jockey was trying to stay alive, not win the race.
My take on that race…horse hits gate leaving the race, once in awhile that does happen. Rider gets the horse going and looks like he’s running okay down the backside besides beginning to get distanced. Horse starts to look bad at the top of the stretch, couldn’t really tell (but rider doesn’t look like he’s making tons of effort to get the horse pulled up quick). Sometimes that easier said than done. I didn’t see him hitting the horse at the top of the stretch, but will watch again on a bigger screen.
What I can say is that all riders are not smart, but most riders have some sense of self preservation. I personally watched a bug boy work a horse and continue riding him after he had broken an ankle. You would be surprised at names of riders that will willingly ride a very sore horse to the wire.
We had a horse that was hit leaving the gate by two horses, he was 25 lengths behind the field down the backside, and ended up getting beat a nose. Back at the barn we found that he had almost ripped his front shoe off, the following morning his leg was blown up and he had broken his splint bone. This horse wasn’t juiced up, just running on adrenaline, that’s it.
And I see this horse was claimed…
I actually did have a filly I was working break her pelvis…I felt it right away and pulled her up as quickly as I could. But all breaks are not created equal, the first few jumps may have felt like funny steps to this rider and then he evened out. Hard to say what he felt as we were not on him.
He did look like he evened out down the backside and on the turn but couldn’t handle coming out of the turn. FYI all rulings are public but don’t know if they actually publish them online. They will be on the wall in the racing office however.
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We’ll he has already ridden another horse for that trainer.[/QUOTE]
Tells me all I need to know about that trainer!
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That sounds mighty nice, but the truth is, very few owners DO pay bills blindly. You are preaching like every one of them is blind, negligent and careless. They aren’t. Even the ones I don’t see often wouldn’t hesitate to ask about an injection, a funny step in a race, etc. I wouldn’t have the vet look at the horse without consulting the owner first, let alone treat it. Nor would any of my fellow trainers (except in the case of a colic or similar life and death instance). While what you are saying is all good, it’s also pretty much how it goes already. The problem is, owners play ignorant when the trainer gets a bad test, or whatever, because they can simply move on. Start penalizing owners. I’ve seen dozens of instances where the OWNER has snuck in the barn before a race and given a horse a substance, totally unbeknownst to the scapegoat, aka the trainer.[/QUOTE]
This has to be one of the wildest statements you’ve posted so far…
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You must really be sheltered if you haven’t seen it.
Nope, been around plenty of tracks over the last 30 yrs and ran a barn that was a big claiming outfit with over 50 head. Must be a difference between the types of tracks we frequented.
And you have some kind of proof of this? Eyewitness account? Palease.
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Nope, been around plenty of tracks over the last 30 yrs and ran a barn that was a big claiming outfit with over 50 head. Must be a difference between the types of tracks we frequented.
And you have some kind of proof of this? Eyewitness account? Palease.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, I wouldn’t say something if it wasn’t true. Did you ever go out of your own barn? If you did, you’d know the types, every few years a trainer nobody had heard of pops up with 20+ head of horses, all for one owner exclusively. They play the game for a couple years, maybe less, then the trainer gets ruled off, owner moves string to another circuit, new trainer that nobody had heard of, the cycle continues.
Those are the bigger ones, I’ve seen it done on an individual level as well. Those owners won’t last anyways. I saw one of them pull in about three hours before the race (the vet had already been there for Lasix), drop his tailgate and pull a syringe out from under the bedliner of his truck. The trainer was a good friend of mine, he was in his room changing at the time.
Micheal Gill, but he wasn’t exactly going into the barns himself…and yes, been in plenty of barns. I think your talking about an owner telling a trainer what to do, but going into the stalls before races, nah.
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Micheal Gill, but he wasn’t exactly going into the barns himself…and yes, been in plenty of barns.
Ask these owners. They’ll tell you, they are proud. There is one at Oaklawn right now. He’s already said he is going to throw his trainer under the bus when he is done with him. They think it’s funny.
I think your talking about an owner telling a trainer what to do, but going into the stalls before races, nah.[/QUOTE]
… I just gave you a vivid description of watching an owner go into the barn with a syringe while the trainer was busy. There are more but that was one that hit closest to home, as he jeopardized a good friend’s livelihood. I sure hope all you east-coasters aren’t this dense.
Angelico, what did you do in that situation?
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I told my friend, the trainer, and all he could do was tell the jockey to hold him back. Luckily the horse did poorly. You can’t scratch that close to the race, and notifying the commission would be useless, as they’d just test the horse and blame the trainer. The syringe was long gone by then. That owner was not welcome in his barn again.
No good choices, apparently, and certainly unfair to the punters.
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No good choices, apparently, and certainly unfair to the punters.[/QUOTE]
Unfair to the trainer actually, not to mention the horse. But nobody cares about that, too easy to point fingers at the trainer.
