OBAMA'S ANTI GUN AGENDA URGENT NOTICE

[Hokieman]

PRESS RELEASE
November 7, 2008

For Immediate Release
Contact:
David Adams
804-382-9501
Virginia Shooting Sports Association

President Elect-Obama Announces Anti-Gun Agenda
One of many proposal found on transition web-site

Orange, VA - The following is a statement released by the Virginia Shooting Sports Association President David Adams, in reaction to President Elect Obama’s anti-gun proposal posted on the official Transition web site.

“It did not take long for Barack Obama to show his hand as it relates to the threat that America’s gun owners now face under an Obama Administration. Only three days after winning the presidency, he has declared war on honest law abiding gun owners by laying out an agenda that seeks to violate the privacy of gun owners and outlaw an entire class of firearms.”

The transition web site, www.change.gov lists the following proposals that target gun owners in America.

“Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn’t have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.”

VSSA will continue to protect the right of law abiding gun owners as we have for the last 70 years. Gun owners are urged to make their views known to President Elect that lawful gun owners are not to blame for crime and we will let our representatives know in Congress that we oppose these proposals.

VSSA, founded in 1938 is the state affiliate association of the NRA, and works to protect the rights of law abiding gun owners and sportsmen.

[Ridge_Runner]

I do not understand how this is bad? Keeping guns away from kids and irresponsible people? What exactly in those paragraphs would bother any responsible person who keeps guns for hunting? I’m also confused as to how this is horse related?

[caffeinated]

DB, don’t you know that ANY attempt to make guns more traceable or limit the ability of people to buy them without background checks is code for “WE’RE TAKING ALL THE GUNS!!!”?

(oops. Just replied on a thread I’ve reported. I keep meaning to stop doing that.)

[lorilu]

Daydream, I agree. maybe the OP uses an Uzi from horseback while hunting? THAT is something I would like to see.
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[LexInVA]

The only reasons why they are even bitching about the proposed changes is because all the crazies who stockpile large amounts of exotic weapons for their own purposes believe that someone is going to use those registries to loot their armories, closing the gun show loophole (private sales) would effectively make a gun show pointless since you couldn’t really buy anything dangerous on the spot without a background check which would eliminate a lot of the business going on there, and making the Federal Assault Weapons ban permanent would effectively curtail the sale of military and law enforcement grade weaponry which is immensely popular amongst the staunchest supporters of the NRA and other groups for all sorts of crazy reasons ranging from wanting to hunt a bear with a machine gun to wanting to have enough firepower to eviscerate anyone or anything that might step on their property.

[enjoytheride]

Not sure how this is horse related unless you plan on giving your child an uzi and sending them out on horseback to shoot something.

[Lori_B]

You are just bananas, Hokieman. Back away from the crack pipe.

[vineyridge]

Command to a Hound

LEAVE IT!

[ef80]

I’m sorry, but the mental image of an 8 year old, decked out in hunting finery with stupid-pigtails flying in the breeze as she gallops along on an old trusty schoolmaster with an uzi or ak-47 flop-flop-flopping against her back strikes me as so absurd it has me in stitches. It’s almost Dadaesque.

[system]

Don’t you guys know anything about guns? An Uzi is useless on horseback, as the magazine requires replacing every five seconds. A Winchester is so much more convenient and traditional.

Yes, Hokie. Let’s all worry about common sense intefering with your right to bear arms. :sadsmile:

[Guilherme]

Well, it is horse related.

Cowboy Mounted Shooting is one of the more popular and growing equine sports. There have been movements in CA and MA (and MD, too) to limit, restrict, or ban single action revolvers on “safety” grounds. Many early models cannot pass modern drop tests, do not easily adapt to “child safety locks,” etc. They are not unsafe when properlyly handled. But they do require proper handling (as does any firearm, edged weapon, or ball peen hammer).

I don’t own an Uzi, but I do own a number of firearms (hand guns and long guns). Many are used in either Mouted Shooting or military equine competitions. I even own two swords.

Remember where Obama comes from: Chicago. It’s unlawful for a common citizen to own a handgun in Chicago. Cook Co. has even more restrictions. And who are the people he’s tapping for his new administration?

Those who fear draconian restrictions on firearm ownership are not just “gun nuts” fearing a falling sky.

SQQ

[Gestalt]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;3639503]
Well, it is horse related.

Cowboy Mounted Shooting is one of the more popular and growing equine sports. There have been movements in CA and MA (and MD, too) to limit, restrict, or ban single action revolvers on “safety” grounds. Many early models cannot pass modern drop tests, do not easily adapt to “child safety locks,” etc. They are not unsafe when properlyly handled. But they do require proper handling (as does any firearm, edged weapon, or ball peen hammer).

I don’t own an Uzi, but I do own a number of firearms (hand guns and long guns). Many are used in either Mouted Shooting or military equine competitions. I even own two swords.

Remember where Obama comes from: Chicago. It’s unlawful for a common citizen to own a handgun in Chicago. Cook Co. has even more restrictions. And who are the people he’s tapping for his new administration?

Those who fear draconian restrictions on firearm ownership are not just “gun nuts” fearing a falling sky.

SQQ[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. To the other posters, why do you feel the need to ridicule gun owners? Many people enjoy competition shooting whether it be on horseback or not.

[deltawave]

It also says this on his website:

Barack Obama did not grow up hunting and fishing, but he recognizes the great conservation legacy of America’s hunters and anglers and has great respect for the passion that hunters and anglers have for their sport. Were it not for America’s hunters and anglers, including the great icons like Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold, our nation would not have the tradition of sound game management, a system of ethical, science-based game laws and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sport. Barack Obama and Joe Biden recognize that we must forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition.

We restrict access to all kinds of potentially dangerous things in this country. What’s wrong with trying to make guns safer and less accessible to those who would abuse them? To me it’s no different than not selling booze or cigarettes to minors and making it a crime to do so.

[Romany]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;3639503]
Well, it is horse related.

Cowboy Mounted Shooting is one of the more popular and growing equine sports. There have been movements in CA and MA (and MD, too) to limit, restrict, or ban single action revolvers on “safety” grounds. Many early models cannot pass modern drop tests, do not easily adapt to “child safety locks,” etc. They are not unsafe when properlyly handled. But they do require proper handling (as does any firearm, edged weapon, or ball peen hammer).

I don’t own an Uzi, but I do own a number of firearms (hand guns and long guns). Many are used in either Mouted Shooting or military equine competitions. I even own two swords.

Remember where Obama comes from: Chicago. It’s unlawful for a common citizen to own a handgun in Chicago. Cook Co. has even more restrictions. And who are the people he’s tapping for his new administration?

Those who fear draconian restrictions on firearm ownership are not just “gun nuts” fearing a falling sky.

SQQ[/QUOTE]

I do believe there are stricter gun controls in Canada than there are in the US, yet cowboy mounted shooting is a similarly growing sport in Canada. Indeed, last time I checked, one of the top mounted shooters lives in Canada; she’s married to a hockey player.

What’s so special about owning a sword or two, by the by? How else do you open a champagne bottle?

[enjoytheride]

The website says they want to keep guns from criminals and children, as well as making tracing guns easier (to find criminals that use them). They also want to work on the assult weapons ban and gun show loopholes (where you can buy an illegal weapon legally as long as it is pieces in a box and only for “display”). Personally I think safety of children and limiting the number of criminals with guns is a top priority.

What part of any of that restricts guns from cowboy mounted shooting or hunting?

It seems like the best way would be to work with this administration instead of running in circles screaming about Obama being the end of the world.

[Equibrit]

Good.

[Rienzi]

Oh, I’m sure the website says many things. But what exactly do they mean by “common sense” and “making them safer”? By what mechanism? By keeping them dissaembled and locked up, with the ammo in a separate place? Very nice if, say, a pack of dogs is attacking your horse. By what means will they track each weapon and bullet to see if it has been used in a crime? By some means that is VERY EXPENSIVE.

And they aren’t just talking about UZIs, I assure you. If it’s like the last things Biden and his ilk have tried to push through, it will mean anything that looks like it’s related to the military, regardless of whether it actually is or not. NOT very scientific. And Handguns, OMG!! They are so UNNECESSARY as we all have the POLICE to protect us and our property! (Never mind that it would take them at least half an hour to show up.)

Do you think that those people who were trying to burn down our barn in the dead of night would have waited for us to go get the shotgun out of its case, go get the separately stored ammo, and unlock the special trigger guard? Or stand around with the fuel container in hand waiting for the police to show up? I doubt it!! Our barn and all the animals in it would have gone up in flames. A double-barrel fired promptly out the window has a powerful effect on the reduction of crime.

[Rienzi]

I would also like to add that treating law-abiding citizens like criminals does NOTHING to reduce crime or to deter the real criminals – who are already disregarding the laws to bgin with. Why would they pay attention to more laws?

[deltawave]

Requiring someone to have a license and prove that one is competent and legally entitled to manipulate a dangerous piece of equipment is treating someone like a criminal? I don’t feel that way about having to have a driver’s license in order to use a far deadlier piece of equipment than a gun.

A double-barrel fired promptly out the window has a powerful effect on the reduction of crime.

Could be. It’s also an irrevocable piece of “deterrence” if you hit one of your own kids in the face with that blind shot in the dark. I’m willing to spend the 60 seconds it takes to make sure I need to be shooting at someone – to make sure it’s really someone who means me harm. That’s also plenty of time to undo a safety and unlock the ammo.

[enjoytheride]

Deltawave, you are simply not thinking like a gun owner. Imagine if not only were you required to own a driver’s license (which you have take a test to get gasp), but you had to have car insurance too. Not only that, but now they required you to keep your keys in the house and not in the ignition. This would clearly prevent you from making a fast getaway should the communists parachute into your college campus and try to take over (that might also be an 80s movie). Next thing you know they’ll be taking your car away and forcing you to take the bus.

I certainly hope that not many people are stockpiling weapons in the event of Obama suddenly cancelling the 2nd amendment and knocking on your door for guns.

I think this is an awful sly way to rant about Obama winning the presidency.