OCD in a stifle in a 3-year-old-- place a bet or fold?

It would depend on the buyer. If the buyer wanted to sell a few views, then it could work for everyone. Earlier up-thread it was suggested that the seller should buy, or perhaps even be required to purchase all the radiographs in a failed PPE. In my opinion, that is an unrealistic expectation. The seller only needs the 2, 3 or 4 views of the joint(s) that caused the buyer to pass.

Truth be told, lots of horses have PPE’s that are less than pristine. If the horse hasn’t been radiographed before, no one knows what the films will look like until they are taken.

As a buyer, we have to “pass” on a good percentage of the horses we PPE. We never ask the seller to buy our radiographs. We turn our PPE’s over to the seller. We believe it is good for the horse, the owner and the next buyer who comes along. But that is just the way we choose to do business. Some folks will agree and some will not. I suspect the next buyer coming in after us who has access to our PPE because we released the information to the seller, will find it is beneficial.

As a seller, if we are aware a horse we are offering for sale has radiographs that may raise concerns, we make those radiographs available to a buyer. Sometimes the views we have available to share with a buyer are from a prior PPE. Sometimes they are views we’ve taken and paid for ourselves. The radiographs are typically presented to the buyer or the buyer’s vet sans any written opinion unless the buyer asks for one. Buyers usually rely on their own vets to interpret radiographs and other items of question.

At the end of the day, there are a lot of honest hard-working sellers and breeders out there. And sometimes these honest folks have horses for sale that ultimately don’t “pass” a PPE. That isn’t the fault of an honest seller if he/she was unaware of what the radiographs might reveal. When a horse “fails” a PPE, everyone involved is disappointed; the buyer, the seller, the agents, the trainers. etc. PPE’s are expensive. That is for certain. But they provide valuable information. If a PPE enables a buyer to dodge a bullet, then that is money well spent.

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My Purchase and Sales Agreements state very clearly that if the horse should not pass the buyer’s PPE. The buyer agrees to pass on the Vet’s report and X-rays for my review and or my vet’s review before their deposit is refunded.

This is pretty much a standard clause used by those who are in the business of selling horses for a living. It is also standard practice around my neck of the woods as to what Vets will be allowed to to do a PPE.

I have been BSed several times. Most likely because the buyer may have found another horse they like better?

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I sympathize with the above. I have slightly different experiences but the message is the same. The seller should offer terms that protect them and makes them feel comfortable.

While it is true that the seller sometimes stipulates to the buyer which vet(s) are allowed to perform a PPE, it isn’t common in our area.

In our area, it is typical that the buyer chooses the vet that will perform the PPE. Having said that, there has been the rare occasion where the vet performing the PPE has gone a little too far and we needed to rein them in a little. This happens very infrequently and usually on a lower priced horse.

BS certainly does happen. This is a crude opinion, but IME, it is the job of the buyer’s PPE to call attention to every little defect. It is the job of the seller’s vet to put all those “defects” into perspective.

I’m not going state that one method is better than another, but anecdotally, as a seller, we have never required a deposit. The buyer will want the horse or not. Arguing over a small deposit isn’t worth the hassle IMO. If the buyer wants “out of the deal”, they will find a way. Having said that, if the first buyer in line does not keep things moving forward, the next buyer in line will be invited to step up to the plate. Maybe that is an upside to not requiring a deposit.

![]( vetted a horse in Spain that was actually lame on the day, I was told that the seller pays ie subtracts the cost of the vetting if you buy the horse, not if it fails the vet check.I guess it varies in different parts of Europe.
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[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]depends on joint appearance[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]Proximal Palmar (Plantar) First Phalanx[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]depends on joint appearance[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]Proximal Sesamoid Bone[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]apical fracture[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]guarded[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]Lateral and Medial Trochlear Ridge, Patella (Femoropatellar Joint)[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]80%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]fragmentation[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]80%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]Medial Femoral Condyle[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]subchondral cyst[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]72%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]85%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]85%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]85%[/TD]
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[TD=“align: left”]OCD lesion[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]ALL[/TD]
[TD=“align: left”]81.8%[/TD]
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