OK, so it's time to renovate the hay fields. Now what??

We’ve got ~15 ac on our property that we hay. I’m a little embarrassed to say that we haven’t done anything to improve the fields, aside from regular mowing (and spreading manure–but with just a couple of horses the manure volume is hardly enough to move the needle).

With just a few horses, I’ve been able to get away with this benign neglect - generally have more hay than I need. BUT, regardless it seems long past time to make some investments. They’re looking pretty thin and if nothing else, it helps make sure that cutting my hay remains a good deal for my neighbor (who gets half the hay).

So, the plan is to renovate them after the second cutting. But I am a real novice at this, not sure what all needs to be done. I’ve got a call in with the local seed/feed company which says it offers field testing services, and thought I’d check here for advice too, while I’m waiting for them to come out. Which tests should I ask them to do? What should guide the choice between disking the field under and completely re-seeding, vs overseeding?

Also, we have a major and growing pocket gopher problem, due to our neighbor taking their 100s of acres out of CRP last year. All of “their” gophers moved to our farm, and it’s awful. For the rest of this summer, I’m going to aggressively bait their tunnels, to see if I can knock back this infestation. Any other suggestions for what I should do w/r/t gophers?

My BO put nitrogen down this spring. So far, with doing nothing else, she has more than doubled her first cut harvest. It will be interesting to see what second cut looks like.

If I were in charge, (ie. it were my property) I’d probably overseed with more alfalfa this fall, because I like my hay a little richer, but there is not a horse in the barn who is not shiny and fat on majority grass hay.

No idea how to get rid of the gophers, sorry.

Gopher traps work, but I never had that many.

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Also, we have a major and growing pocket gopher problem, due to our neighbor taking their 100s of acres out of CRP last year. All of “their” gophers moved to our farm, and it’s awful. For the rest of this summer, I’m going to aggressively bait their tunnels, to see if I can knock back this infestation. Any other suggestions for what I should do w/r/t gophers?[/QUOTE]

Depending on your locale, you could do well to find varmint hunters to take practice with their airguns and rimfire rifles. But whether that’s worth the effort depends on their courtesy and kill rate.

David

I’d do one of three things --quick and easy would be to ask someone in your area who grows hay --he (or she) has dealt with your issues successfully and could give you good advise. Second option (and it sounds like you are doing this one) would be to go to a local fertilizer/chemical retailer like Helena and ask for advice. Again, this is a problem the company deals with on a daily basis and on a large scale (at least where I live). They came out, took soil samples and custom mixed what I needed for my 15 acres. I spray once a year in May, single pass with broad leaf herbicide and liquid fertilizer. Final suggestion would be to call your local agricultural extension agent. He/she went to school to answer questions like yours and probably have access to latest research.

As to the gopher problem, again your agricultural extension agent can be a resource. We live trap and execute. I know it’s sad (for the gopher) but I worry that relocating my gopher will cause it to make a hole where someone’s horse will ultimately break a leg. The first year we trapped out 20+, second year 5, and recently one every couple of years.

Foxglove

What Foxglove said.

Contact your county Extension Office and/or Conservation District. You can probably get someone to come take a look and offer advice for free or a very minimal charge.

You will want soil tests before you make any expensive decisions on fertilizer or seeding, and someone with an experienced eye can probably tell a lot just by looking at your hay field.

Yes, I’m already getting the local expertise by working with the feed/seed company, and with my neighbor who farms hay and will be doing the labor for me. Just thought I’d triangulate and also ask folks here who have hands-on experience.

Foxglove, can you link me to the type of trap you used? I’m wondering if we may not be talking about the same type of critter. What we have are pocket gophers which live entirely underground. So shooting is most definitely not practical, but maybe there’s a live trap out there I’m not aware of. I have no qualms at all about killing them.
We also have groundhogs that we trap and shoot-- different critters entirely.

Again, engage your Cooperative Extension service folks.

Do a soil test. If your local feed dealer isn’t suggesting that kick’em to the curb.

Gophers? Again see if your Cooperative Extension service has any info.

They can be tough to deal with.

Just noticed you are in Iowa.

Definitely get info from the Cooperative Extension Service.

About fertilizing and about renovation.

You might google articles by Dr. Ron George from Iowa State (deceased unfortunately) regarding renovation. There should be papers on renovation – fertilizing and TOP seeding (surface seeding) rather than digging up what you have. Any time you dig up a pasture or hay field you provide a great seed bed for all the weed seeds that have been sitting there for years and years.

I believe you and I are talking about different critters, Hungarian Hippo. I trapped groundhogs, aka whistle pigs. aka woodchucks --Marmota monax --and called gophers in Indiana. I used a “Have-a-Heart” live trap but the captured groundhogs were executed immediately after capture.

Foxglove

You don’t say what “kind” of hay has been growing there and for how long. And what other “stuff” has worked its way into the stand. Was it a “pure stand” to begin with?

Everybody always seem to say “contact your local extension agent” and I pretty much say the same. Why bother because IME most have a “generic” understanding of things and pretty much “recite from the book”.

But in all fairness some areas of the country may have better “extension agents” then others. But IME most have never grown let alone baled a single bale.

I have a small dedicated hay field 50+ acres of Orchard and 1/3 Timothy. With a yield of around 175-200+ tons a year. It was seeded in “bare” ground 12+ years ago. After having been used for “crops” corn, soy beans, etc for many years by the previous owner.

The process is not rocket science and pretty straight forward.

If you have far more “junk” grasses, weeds, etc. than grass hay most likely you will want to disk everything under, float and start back with a nicely prepared seed bed. This is a judgement call based on experience/understanding of “hay”. If in doubt as others have said look around for someone who has a nice hay field and ask for some advise. Drop a note in their mailbox and offer to pay a few dollars for their time. Most likely they will be happy to offer some up for free.

“Renovating”, adding to an existing stand or starting over from scratch the process is the same. You will need to pull soil samples from various parts of the acreage. It is generally best “divide” up the given acreage pull samples and label the bags where it was taken from. Because some areas may need more of “something” than others. But with only 15 acres I don’t think this warrants the time and energy. I would just pull say 10-20 plus samples from various part of the field toss the core samples in a plastic bag thoroughly mix together and fill say 5 sample bags to the designated line and send off to be analyzed. I made friend with my farmer neighbors and borrow theirs.

You need to “pull” the samples from at least 6" down. This can be done with a shovel, but is time consuming and a PITA. You are in an Ag state so I would like to think there are plenty of Ag/fertilizer companies that cater to farmers that will be amending you field. They should offer soil analyzing and lend the “tool” to pull soil core samples. It’s just a “pipe” with a foot “hold” that you push into the ground and then push out the dirt into a your bag. Makes for short work.

When you send the bags out to be analyzed be sure to label what is growing there and or what you will be planting. The report get back will be based on this.

The “report” is very easy to read. It will tell you exactly what you need and how much will be needed of each in lbs per acre.

Sounds like you have already contacted the company that will taking care of things. They will pull samples send out and tell you how much money you need to spend. The above is for those who don’t have this service. Or are in an area that doesn’t attract a lot interest in preforming this generally free service for just 15 acres. You don’t have to ask for specific test. They just need to know what you will be growing.

In my neck of the woods growing Orchard/Timothy the 2 main amendments are Potash and lime. With stands that are baled on a regular bases. Potash more than lime. Potash can and does cost $$$. Nitrogen can and does come into play depending on things. But not as much with a stand that is not baled on a regular bases. If the field has just been mowed more than baled most likely the nitrogen levels will be good hopeful potash also. Lime depending on things like geographic area, what the top soil is laying on, weather, etc.

If the field call for a lot of lime its best to spread it out over 2 seasons or so. Other wise a lot of what is spread will be washed away into the low laying areas or your neighbors field. Depending on the lay of the land. Lime takes around 6+ months to get into the soil as it is. Best to do in late fall depending on the geographic/climate. What ever the norm is for you location.

If you are going to “start over” kill off, disc everything under. I should think you would want to fertilize first as the soil report suggests. Then reseed next spring, late winter. What ever is the norm for Iowa. Around here late summer is the norm. But I did my fields in late March and my stand came in great. But my sold did not need to be heavily amended. If your does then you may want to wait until late winter. You local hay farmer would know best.

If what you have growing is looking OK but on the “thin” side of things it will be cheaper just to hire someone to “drill” more seed of choice to the existing stand. Around here Brome is added to Orchard/Timothy. Orchard/Timothy is a clump grass, meaning is grows from “clumps” and doesn’t “spread” like “lawn” grass. Brome is a good horse grass hay that does spread and fill in the spaces in between the clump grasses leaving little to no room for weed seeds to move in and become a PITA.

There you have have it. My understanding of things in my neck of the woods.

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I used a “Have-a-Heart” live trap but the captured groundhogs were executed immediately after capture.

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THANK YOU. The often prevailing idea that some people need to trap their varmints and then release them “in the country” burns me up. We have enough of our own varmint problems, we don’t need any more. Holes from groundhogs and disease from raccoons and possums cost money and occasionally horses. If you have too much heart to dispatch them, either don’t trap them or get someone a little tougher to do the deed for you.

Everything gumtree said – that’s how we’ve always done it on my family’s hay farm. We run a different mix of grasses than he does (not huge timothy fans any more, used to use it but we have a lot of rain in late May/early June and if you don’t get it cut just right Timothy will overmature quick so we switched to something a bit more forgiving to fickle first cutting weather) but that’s really the only difference. We use a heavy predominance of orchard as well.

soil test, get proper N/P/K levels, lime if necessary.

I aerate my hay fields once every few years. My yields go up consistently and I’ll continue doing it.

Find a way to dethatch. Aggressive 2nd or 3rd pass with wheel rake or rotary rake after baling and/or using a drag harrow to pull the dried thatch up. Aeration helps with this too.

I’ve only reseed one time - after a very severe drought.

For gophers and other things of that nature - i got a varmit blaster. It injects propane/oxygen into the tunnels and ignites it. There is an explosion that collapses the tunnels and the concussive force kills the critters instantly. I use it in hay fields sometimes and much more in pastures.

thanks. Local feed/seed co-op has taken soil samples, we expect results in a week or so.
Come to think of it, a varmint blaster may pay for itself-- I could charge admission from all the neighbors who’d want to watch :lol: :lol: