OMG are they really supposed to be this stiff!

Just got my new boots. They are the Rectiligne Silhouette. Dress boots. I guesss it has been forever since I’ve had new boots. My last couple of pairs were preowned Vogels. And the last year I’ve been in comfy mountain horse boots, just schooling. I want to do a little showing so bought these and yikes!

I took them out of the box and I swear I could beat someone to death with them they are so stiff! I was kinda scared to put them on. I am wearing them now and doing the weird robot walk. My ankles are already complaining. If my apartment had a tub I think I would be doing the hunter break em in thing.

So like, this is normal!?! They will drop right!?! sob

no, they shouldn’t drop like a softer boot.

the stiff boots are not fit as high at the back of the knee because they don’t drop like softer boots.

and yiou probably want to KEEP them stiff. don’t over-oil or treat with conditioner.

Heel Lifts

We always use Dr. Sholes heel lifts in the boots to help get through the early stages of breaking in. Dressage boots won’t drop like jumping boots because of the spine up the back. Good luck!

excellent idea tlw! thanks

I just got my new paddock boots, and they are stiff too! Sheesh.

I love the Rectiligne half chaps and covet them, I bet the boots are gorgeous!

Do dressage riders have to use the “stiff boots” now days to look professional, or can I still get away with good old fashion custom Dehner black hunt style boots if I get up the muster to begin showing again?

Stiff boots are not to ‘look professional’.

Stiff boots get a person riding better. I can’t think of anyone who doesn’t ride better in them.

Now whether they LIKE them or not is another matter ! :lol:

I think the key with the stiffer boot is to not try to walk around in them, drive in them, get in and out of cars in them, give horses baths in them, kneel in them. They are made for riding and riding only. One isn’t even supposed to walk around to ‘break them in’.

Soft boots are made for comfort. They’re easy to walk around in, do chores in, etc. Many people prefer them.

Stiff boots, both because they are stiff and because one wants to preserve the stiffness, one takes off after riding, though some people get them with zippers and will unzip them partway. Though most of the zippers do seem to break and need repair at least from time to time, some people find them very convenient. I also think some people who ride many horses a day or teach and ride, will get a pair of chaps and short boots to teach in, and wear their stiffer boots only when they ride their own horses.

I have a pair of barn slip on boots in the tackroom. When I get off the horse, I take the saddle in to the tackroom, take off the stiff boots and put the slip on boots on. It just gets to be a habit and after a little while it doesn’t seem to be a bother.

I cannot imagine how a stiff boot would make me ride better.

I like my ankles to be supple and I like to “wrap” my leg around the horse. If I need to use my spur I just raise my heel, not my whole lower leg. I can’t imagine being able to do that very well in a very stiff boot. Most of the “stiff boot” riding I see the leg looks like one solid unit, heel to knee. To use your spur you have to use the whole lower leg.

And, I don’t walk around or bath horses in my riding boots. I take them off as soon as I am done riding and put on something more comfortable.

All of the riders I have seen using “stiff boots” look stiff from the heel all the way up to the top of their head. Is that considered good riding? I also don’t like a lot of the dressage riding that I see today. The riders look stiff and the horses look tense. These would be considered “very good” UL riders.

I know a lot of GP riders who’ve given up their Koenigs and other “stovepipe” style dressage boots and gone to showing in the Ariat hunter dress boots, and the softer Sergio Grassos and the like. I know you’ll never catch me riding in the stiffies. Like BaroquePony, I can’t imagine that a boot so stiff that my leg doesn’t move easily and comfortably, is an asset to my riding. :dead:

I’m just glad you’re asking about the boots, and not the, um, horses :slight_smile:

yeah, that was my first thought …

OMG how stiff IS your horse?

Well, welcome to the club… the last past 6 months for me was a choice of giving a Half Halt or popping a blister! That is in my new Pietre boots that I’m trying to brake in already since Christmas!!! Some of the COTHers recommended soaking them in the warm water and wearing them until they’ll dry. It’s called a “bath tub method”!!! It’s hilarious:
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=130113&highlight=bath+tub+method

It’s not recomemnded.

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By you. Thousands of other people have done it with great success. slick, do you ever stop and engage a brain cell before you post?

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My legs, my poor poor legs. Although watching me try to get my foot in the stirrup entertained the other borders to no end. I did run hot water into them before mounting, and I will again, probably a few times. They do however make my leg look fabulous. :slight_smile:

Dear god I hope the pain ends soon!

So, how exactly is this hot water immersion supposed to work? What do you do and when do you do it? Is it only for already soft (as in hunt) boots or does it also work for stiff dressage boots? Do you use anything on the inside of the boots afterwards to keep the leather from drying out? Sorry to sound so ignorant but this is all news to me.

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no, they shouldn’t drop like a softer boot.

the stiff boots are not fit as high at the back of the knee because they don’t drop like softer boots.

and yiou probably want to KEEP them stiff. don’t over-oil or treat with conditioner.[/QUOTE]

Can you explain how riding in stiff boots is better? I’m from Hunter Land & I’m genuinely curious.

‘engage a brain cell’

anyone who disagrees with what you say is stupid or thoughtless? lovely philosophy. you have my sympathies.

not recommended. by dehner, who makes and sells the stiffer boots. and by other manufacturers as well. though I do believe they know it’s a losing battle :lol:

wearing leather boots when they are wet stretches the leather and weakens it and softens it where it wrinkles and stretches, making it prone to crack and tear later. something one doesn’t want with stiffer boots. it also causes an incorrect ‘break’ at the ankle, with too deep of folds; while making the first couple wears more comfortable these deeper folds tend to crack and tear, as well as get deeper over time and rub the rider’s ankles.

allowing them to break in more gradually weakens the fibers of the leather less and stretches them less.

i did this soak-and-wear with several pairs of stiff boots, based on such recommendations as given here.

i decided it shortened the life of the boots and led to more repairs.

i also changed from using a lot of oil, conditioner and the like, which also stretches the leather and causes deeper folds and cracks over time, to using polish, as the boot makers recommend. the oils and conditioners also eventually prevent the boots from taking a shine.

many people get stiffer boots that are very, very uncomfortable.

i bought them for years and had them fitted by someone who did not know how to fit them. he fitted them like softer leather hunt style boots. that doesn’t work. he fitted them too high in the leg and didn’t understand that the stiffer boots are meant to develop a specific kind of ‘break’ (when broken in properly) at the ankle and do not drop like softer boots.

all i had to do to end the agony was have someone more knowledgeable measure the boots. presto. problems gone. much better break in period, much more correct ‘break’ in the ankle, boots last far longer, too.:winkgrin:

the other boots would be ruined after a few year’s daily riding. i’ve had the most recent pair for twice as long (going by number of rides, not exact calendar time).

the correct measurement and fitting is the key.

how do they make someone ride better?

well, i have never seen a stiffer boot make a rider’s UPPER body stiffer as stated above (i think if someone dislikes stiff boots they will watch people riding in stiff boots and perceive that the person doesn’t ride as well in them - that’s just HN) - they support the foot and ankle a little better and the person’s leg is not so floppy and apt to get into really odd positions, with the ankle c0cked, and so the leg is a little more stable.

Having done the hot water immersion thing on about 1000 pairs of too cute to wear lady’s shoes, I can safely say that the hot water also weakens any glue used on the soles.

Face it, stiff boots don’t make you ride better, they just make you look like you’re riding better, but that counts big time.

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how do they make someone ride better?

well, i have never seen a stiffer boot make a rider’s UPPER body stiffer as stated above (i think if someone dislikes stiff boots they will watch people riding in stiff boots and perceive that the person doesn’t ride as well in them - that’s just HN) - they support the foot and ankle a little better and the person’s leg is not so floppy and apt to get into really odd positions, with the ankle c0cked, and so the leg is a little more stable.

The rule of thumb is that if one ‘body part’ (joint, set of ligaments, set of muscles) is stiff or out of alignment for the task at hand, it reverberates up the system.

Speaking only for myself, I don’t perceive that a rider is stiff because I see stiff boots. If the person’s leg is ‘floppy’ and apt to get into odd positions unless they are wearing stiff boots, I would contend that they are not as well developed of a rider as they should be. That would also coincide with the possibility that their seat wasn’t as well developed as it should be and maybe, just maybe, they really are stiffer riders because they are not sufficiently supple.

I prefer a more unified horse-rider relationship that is supple and quiet rather than some of the stiffer more tense relationships that I see sometimes.

I think your boots make a very big difference in your ride.

Anyway, that is off topic and I apologize for that.