On the road to the 2012 Kentucky Derby

Interestingly … the latest 2012 Kentucky Derby odds from Wynn Las Vegas as of 11/08/2011 somewhat discount Hansen despite his 2 huge wins at Turfway and the BC JV victory. They have him at 25-1 whereas Union Rags they’ll give for the Winter Book odds a measly future wager of 10-1

An amusing quote from Sheppard on any Derby prospect:

“I’m getting a little long in the tooth and I wouldn’t mind trying that at all.”

Fast Bullet looked pretty good today out at Hollywood Park.

Hansen’s odds are long because the odds of him running long are kind of iffy. But you never know!!

While maybe doubtful for being pointed down the road to the Kentucky Derby your man Shane Roars found something amazing inside him today. He was last seen at Saratoga in his 2nd start, a maiden claiming, taking 4th (out of 11) losing by about 6-lengths.

Today: Video: New York Stallion Series Stakes Race 8 Aqueduct 11/13/11

The Dominic Galluscio trained horse was 30-1 odds morning line, but was seemingly despised by the betting public. Oh well their loss he won with a gritty effort at roughly 92-1 odds :smiley: Yep $185.50 payoff

Again most likely not a Derby runner, but still happily a horse giving a jolt to those whom expect someone else to win.

92-1 is really amazing…Hope you cashed a ticket Glimmer…

Ha, Tradewind, if only …

Bits of Derby items:

Noted elsewhere, too, six Derby Prep races to be aired in 2012 - these are in large part paid for by the Jockey Club and not CDI. The latter underwrote the costs for a similar prep-race airing in 2010 with NBC.

March 24th Vinery Stakes (Turfway Park): on NBC Sports Group (f/k/a VERSUS)

March 31th Florida Derby (Gulfstream Park): on NBC Sports Group

April 7th Wood Memorial (Aqueduct) & Santa Anita Derby (Santa Anita Park): on NBC Sports

April 14th Blue Grass Stakes (Keeneland) & Arkansas Derby (Oaklawn Park): on CNBC.

Proof that the new casino (slots) just opened at Aqueduct will, on the short term at least, add a lot to the coffers of NYRA racing: Aqueduct casino takes in $14 million in first 10 days. Out of the revenues, 44 percent is directed toward the state’s education fund. A 31 percent stake goes back to Genting. The remaining 25 percent is distributed to the New York Racing Association and the casino vendors.

The Aqueduct facility is just in its first phase. Malaysia-based Genting opened the facility with just 1,600 slot machine-like video lottery terminals.

One of the perennial Derby-implication races of November is the Remsen Stakes (Grade 2) for $200,000 at 1 1/8 Miles. The 97th Running of this race will be on Saturday, November 26, 2011.

Mentioned by another was Bob Baffert having yet another 2-yr old in his stable that has impressed folks on the track. Liaison won the $100,000 Real Quiet Stakes Saturday Nov 12, 2011

(Flashback image at the wire 1998 Belmont Stakes)

The irony wasn’t lost on trainer Bob Baffert on Saturday at Hollywood Park, winning the Real Quiet Stakes with a colt whose grandfather is Victory Gallop.

“A horse I hate,” Baffert called Victory Gallop, the horse who denied his Real Quiet’s quest to win the 1998 Triple Crown.

Video Replay: Hollywood Park 11.12.11 $100k Real Quiet Stakes

Liaison, a son of Indian Charlie, is out of the mare Galloping Gal, by Victory Gallop. He is owned by Arnold Zetcher. Liaison was third in his debut going one mile at Del Mar on Sept. 3, then defeated maidens sprinting in his second and most recent start last month at Santa Anita.

“He’s getting better and better,” Baffert said. “He’s still green.”

Baffert said Liaison is “not your typical Indian Charlie.”

“They usually have a lot of brilliance, like Uncle Mo, but he’s not like that,” Baffert said. “He’s more like Victory Gallop.”

The mega-pursed 2-yr old race on the horizon: Boyd’s Gaming Delta Jackpot (G3) with $1 Million prize at the bull-ring Delta Downs.

The 1 1/16-mile race for 2-year-olds will be run in Vinton, La., on Nov. 19. Final entries will be taken Nov. 16th. 17-horses were pre-entered at $1,000 each.

Pre-entries included - Drill, winner of the Grade 1 Del Mar Futurity, was 10th in the $2 million BC Juvenile on Saturday. Jake Mo ran in the BC Juvenile Sprint last Friday and was fifth.

Others pre-entered were My Adonis, who won the $200,000 Jean Lafitte at Delta; Seven Lively Sins, runner-up in the Grade 3 Iroquois at Churchill; Dougs Buddy, an undefeated stakes winner from Northlands Park; Longview Drive; Laurie’s Rocket; Sabercat; Basmati; Tiz Moe; No Spin; Alsvid; Mr. Prankster; Flashy Kid; Noble Alex; O’Prado Again; and So Brilliant.

The maximum gate is 10 horses.

Which one of these piques your interest Glimmer?

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I think Baffert’s Drill will be the big fish, little pond victor on paper for the Delta Jackpot. Always a threat with the horse for course entries but he’s seemingly the best horse cited thus far going to the gate.

However not a lot of long-term success has been yielded from that race. (In terms of highly well-funded - graded stakes - runners making much of that victory in the TC and beyond.) Birdbirdistheword never started in a TC race (later died in a stable fire) and Gourmet Dinner was injured/retired before the Kentucky Derby. So jinx to race there? I dunno.

For the Remsen Stakes its too early to speculate as pre-entries / contenders haven’t been cited.

I sincerely think Hansen is the real deal and will be a force for the Kentucky Derby. 25-1 to on him for the Derby? I’ll take that. Doubt about the distance? Heck 1 1/4 is actually well within his wheelhouse as much as it wasn’t for Uncle Mo :wink:

I haven’t paid a whole lot of attention to the two year olds yet, but if you want to spot something special at a price for your derby watch, wait a bit, and watch Oaklawn. Specifically, watch the filly stakes, Eight Belles, Joyful Victory, Rachel, Zenyatta, all racked up some nice ones at Oaklawn before they became well known.

I’m in love with Hansen, distance may be a question, but heart never will be and he has plenty to give. I was so proud of him in the juvy I actually felt a little teary, that’s the kind of horse that defines a real racehorse. Hopefully with maturity he’ll learn to rate a bit better and control the pace. I don’t know if anyone reads Jason Shandler’s blogs on the Bloodhorse, but he started to knock Hansen, and the comments went wild, everyone loves him!

In the Delta I am going to route for No Spin…I have a son of Hennessy who I adore and was pretty successful before retirement…No Spin is out of Johannesburg who is a Hennessy son…so what the heck…A few bucks for purely sentimental reasons is ok every once in awhile right? I also believe that Hansen has a heart as big as all outdoors…

As expected an overflow of entries for Saturday’s G3 $1M Delta Jackpot which will net the winner $590,000 in graded earnings.

14 entered but just 10 positions …

My Adonis had first preference into the Jackpot by virtue of his win in the Jean Lafitte, and preferences that take into account graded-stakes placings and overall earnings came into play Wednesday morning.

Four horses were excluded as the maximum gate for the Jackpot, a 1 1/16-mile race run on a six-furlong track, is set at 10.

PP. Horse, Jockey

  1. Longview Drive, Joel Rosario
  2. Seven Lively Sins, Julien Leparoux
  3. Tiz Moe, Jamie Theriot
  4. Basmati, Corey Nakatani
  5. My Adonis, Evis Trujillo
  6. Drill, Martin Garcia
  7. Laurie’s Rocket, Brian Hernandez Jr.
  8. Sabercat, Gerard Melancon
    9. Dougs Buddy, Rex Stokes, III ( << see Bill Finley’s article on him for ESPN)
  9. Jake Mo, Don Simington.

The Jackpot is scheduled to be televised on HRTV and TVG.

Video and PP’s of the runner will be available Thursday - see link below
http://www.deltadownsjackpot.com/past-performances

well, there goes my sentimental choice

Top Kentucky Derby 2012 contenders

Horse Racing Nation has a ranking of the top 250 Kentucky Derby 2012 contenders:

  1. Hansen
  2. Union Rags
  3. Creative Cause
  4. Secret Circle
  5. Sabercat

Click here for the full listing: http://www.horseracingnation.com/polls/current/Kentucky_Derby_2012_Contenders

Sabre Cat looked fabulous at Delta today…

Grade 3 $1M Delta Jackpot … which netted the winner $590,000 in graded earnings.

Video replay: of the Delta Jackpot Nov 19, 2011, Race 7

Final order of finish:

  1. Sabercat
  2. Basmati
  3. Longview Drive.
  4. Seven Lively Sins
  5. Laurie’s Rocket
  6. Jake Mo
  7. Drill
  8. Tiz Moe
  9. My Adonis
  10. Dougs Buddy.

Sabercat won his maiden in his fourth career start, at Monmouth Park on Sept. 5. He advanced to the Garden State, and dominated by six lengths in his stakes debut. From that point, he came under consideration for the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile, said owner Ron Winchell. But he said that the horse fell “out of rhythm,” and the decision was made to pass the Juvenile.

The Graded Stakes Delta Jackpot having being held after these updated odds were generated. Still note the future book odds shift for a few noted runners: (pdf) Wynn Vegas 2012 Kentucky Derby Future as of Nov 14, 2011

The Sheppard-trained Augustin runner “Ever So Lucky” appears at 85-1 down from 125-1. The Baffert-trained, Arnold Zetcher LLC-owned “Liaison” drops from 275-1 to 50-1. Union Rags remains at 10-1 the shortest price. Hansen unchanged at 25-1.

What about Nick Zito and his prospects for a 2012 Derby runner or at least a contender on the trail? Viola - Casual Trick by Bernardini who is owned by (no shocker here) Robert LaPenta. (Note prior to this recent win he was 200-1 in the Wynn future book.)

… there was a tinge of deja vu in the air during Friday’s “Downs After Dark” racing card [Nov 18] when the Zito-trained Casual Trick carried LaPenta’s racing colors to an emphatic 2 1/2-length win under jockey Jesus Castanon in a one-mile maiden race for juveniles. It was the second career start for Casual Trick, who finished fifth after pressing the pace in his six-furlong debut at Saratoga on August 27.

Another Kentucky Derby hope for Zito could emerge in Saturday’s Grade 2 Kentucky Jockey Club, the co-feature on the Stars of Tomorrow II program devoted exclusively to two-year-olds. He plans to saddle Tracy Farmer’s homebred Saint Honore (by Sun King) in the 1 1/16-mile Kentucky Jockey Club.

Saturday’s G2 $200k Remsen Stakes isn’t yet determined but likely runners are:

El Padrino, a 12-length maiden winner at Belmont on Oct. 29, and Our Entourage, a maiden winner on turf, will represent trainer Todd Pletcher in Saturday’s Grade 2, $200,000 Remsen Stakes for 2-year-olds at 1 1/8 miles.

Others pointing to the Remsen are Done Talking, Managed Account, O’Prado Again, Souper Speedy, Speightscity, Stephanoatsee, and possibly Tiger Walk.

More on Dr. Hansen himself with racing and his namesake runner: DRF 11-24-11 “Breeders’ Cup winner Hansen’s owner has luck on his side”

The other horse in the stable looks pretty good, too. Tapanna, Hansen’s 3-year-old full brother, also is in training with Mike Maker. After four tries, Tapanna won his first race in September, beating Grigio, who went on to set a 1 1/16-mile track record next out at Keeneland.

“Mike thinks he’s probably going to be a stakes horse,” Hansen, 55, said. “But he’s not there yet.”

Hansen claimed Stormy Sunday for $5,000 in 2005, plucking her out of a Turfway maiden claiming race. He got a big payoff four months later.

“We jumped from maiden $5,000 at Turfway to $30,000 nonwinners of two at Churchill, and you’re going to get some really good odds when you do that,” he said.

Stormy Sunday won at 13-1, and Hansen said he cashed tickets worth about $124,000. Despite a bad ankle, Stormy Sunday won three of her four starts, all in minor races.

“She wouldn’t take crap off anybody,” he said of Stormy Sunday. “She wouldn’t let another horse get in front. She passed that on to Hansen.”

And it appears Hansen isn’t unlike his mom and far from a saint:

“Then this gray horse came into the picture,” Disbro said.

Disbro, working the gate at the Churchill Downs Training Center, had gotten an eyeful of the impressive colt, standing by his head in the starting stalls.

“He was a little bear in the starting gate,” Disbro said. “He still is. He’s got his ways. You’ve got to be careful, because you’ve got to keep him off the back of the gate, and he’ll turn his head. You’ve got to be on guard at all times with him. One morning he threw his head into me and ripped my watch right off.”

Gary West every year does a pretty good, broad list of who to look for this early on for being pointed towards the Derby. ESPN 11/23/11 “Spotting the next Ky. Derby winner”

Who are those under-the-radar horses this year that will soon burst onto the scene, perhaps even during this extended holiday weekend? Well, the next few hundred words or so will possibly include the names of some horses you’ve never heard of, but don’t rush to consign them to the dustbin of your memory just yet: They could also be the names of some horses that will impact next year’s Triple Crown.

Empire Way, El Padrino, Gemologist, Algorithms, Hierro, Wharton, Unbridled’s Note, Stephanoatsee, Liaison, Consortium, Coalition, Casual Trick, Gold Megillah, Ever So Lucky, Indian Evening, Il Villano, Calmer Than You, How Do I Win, Cyber Secret, Exfactor, Sweet Luca, Rousing Sermon – those, just to begin, are among possibilities under the radar, where the traffic’s especially thick this time of year.