Op Piece - Banning Whips in Competition

Full disclosure, I’m no event rider (mostly the jumper ring for me) however the article was penned by an Eventer.

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/opinion-its-time-to-let-go-of-the-whip/

I think he makes a great point re social license. But I’m not fully convinced that removing the whip entirely is the correct answer. I feel like there are some situations where a well timed application can make a difference between a successful jump effort and a crash. Maybe the answer is to pull up instead but I feel as though there are times where it’s unsafe to pull up. I don’t know.

Thought it was an interesting piece and just wanted to see what others thought!

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He’s already made that comment in another post, and I responded to it then (in the Andrew McConnon thread), so my response is quoted above because I still feel the same way.

An important part of this article is that he is proposing banning the whip in competition. There are already strict whip restrictions in place in competition. No one is using a whip to beat a horse at a competition (unfortunately, we know that there remain some bad actors who will use it as such at home, but critically this proposal does nothing to deal with them). This proposal is for optics, and optics only.

Matt says:

The whip is one of the most visible—and easily misunderstood—tools we use.

This proposal is to remove something that may be occasionally used to help the horse and rider have a safer and more positive round, so that people who do not understand that can feel better. This is not the right direction, for our sport or anything else. The way forward is not to remove tools that serve our horses and riders because someone may misunderstand. The way forward is to help people understand.

If we do not provide information about what we do and why we do it, it is only reasonable that people will draw their own conclusions. It used to be that people did not see much of horse sports until they participated in them themselves, so by definition there was some level of education there. With the rise of social media, this is no longer the case. It could be such an opportunity for us: we have an incredible sport, and we work with incredible partners. But there is also a responsibility to explain ourselves, if we don’t want people to guess. We can take away thing after thing, most of which are tools most of us use for good reasons and with good intentions. But that will never solve the problem if we do not help people understand, because there will always be another thing.

Let’s share the joy of horse sports, all of the positives that come from a strong partnership between horse and rider, and how it is that we build that.

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I agree the whip has its uses prior to taking on a fence (and on occasion on landing), but I am not opposed to making it so it cannot be used following a disobedience or limiting the usage from 3 to 1. In general, most horses seem to have an understanding when they make a mistake and refuse a fence. If they don’t, then they truly never understood what was asked in the first place.

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That is more than fair.

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I believe the EV112.3 Extraordinary rule change already prevents the use of a whip as a reprimand.

I’ve grown up/been trained that having one (whether you use it or not) is an important safety tool. It sounds like the author has reevaluated its place in his training program which is fair.

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I usually quite like Matt Brown but coming after a crop when you have quite an extensive peice of headgear on your horse is an interesting choice.

I always hold a crop but honestly hardly ever use it. It’s definitely a safety crutch for me. If I ever need to get out of a situation & NOW I like knowing I have something extra.

& honestly for the pokey ones I think a well timed tap is much better than a nagging spur.

Finally, horses are BIG creatures that interact with each other with kicks and bites and often are 10x the size of the humans interacting with them. Are they sensitive and well intentioned most of the time? Yes. But I do think we need to stop acting like they are newborn kittens.

Most of the people complaining about this or that are probably scared sh!tless of horses in real life.

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I ride A LOT of young horses, from starting under saddle to starting over fences and beyond. I almost never ride a young horse without a crop and a neckstrap. GO FORWARD is the name of the game. Starting babies, they don’t always understand what “leg” means. They get wiggly. They get stuck. They pop their shoulders. Tapping a crop on the shoulder is much more instinctively understood than “put your leg on.” I start and gallop a lot of 2yo racehorses too, and you learn quickly that a brisk road trot past a scary/spooky place is much safer than risking a stop/spin/bolt.

I’m actively teaching them what “leg on” means, but that most always involves some light taps on the shoulder (and less often, behind leg) when needed. It’s absolutely not a punishment or abusive; it’s just to get the feet moving on a baby horse that genuinely doesn’t know what to do. They all know voice commands, but they get confused, distracted, lost, stuck, and tap-tap with a cluck/kiss gets them going (& praise).

A year or two later, those horses are going to their first xc schools, shows, and new places. They’re green. They will be distracted, looking, and occasionally “stuck.” I still have my crop with me, and tap-tap on the shoulder just like we did at home (in the very beginning) to reinforce my leg. It prevents a stop on course, keeps the feet moving, and – for horses who stop, hesitate, plant and BLOW UP-- keeping moving is often a safer course of action. All these things can happen at a horse’s first competitions, so I want the option to have it at horse trials and not just at home.

I carry a crop but basically never tap/hit an educated horse. I may use it for straightness-- wave it in their vision on the outside shoulder of a corner, for example-- but by a time a horse is solid at the level they understand leg = forward and know their job. Those horses could probably get away with no whip.

But I would never give up the option to carry my stick on a young/green horse, it’s part of safety.

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To me, his arguments to justify his position are very vague, almost to specious. A lot of hand waving. I believe he is totally wrong. And just because somebody can ride at a high level doesn’t mean they know what is the right thing.

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Oh my gosh! This is SO true.

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lol, social license. :expressionless: :roll_eyes:

I’d rather have the crop it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
He’s more than welcome not to use one, but to ban it from everyone is showing that he’s a control freak like that crazy woman who wants to rummage though our tack trunks at shows.

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That horse’s bridle set up make me think that not having a whip is no problem.

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That comment made me go back and zoom in on the picture to see the bridle.

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Mike Winter made a good, similar, argument on his interview with Sinead Maynard on the InStride podcast. He went around Badminton last year without a whip.

I have been getting my mind opened more and more as time goes on and different horses and theories cross my path. The more I learn, the less abuse I can tolerate watching or using myself.

Given a horse is sensitive enough to wiggle a fly off their skin, we don’t need to be hitting them at all. The argument that horses bite and kick each other doesn’t hold water with me. They use far more facial gestures and body language before physical bites and kicks are applied. By the logic that we can hit them, they should be able to bite and kick us. We have stopped hitting children for a reason, even if those children bite or kick us. It’s considered child abuse for an authority figure to lose their temper and hit a child.

I still carry a whip as a tool. I use it with a tickle of the lash or a light tap-tap-tap behind the leg for “go” or on the shoulder for “don’t bulge that shoulder into the wall of the arena”. It’s bringing the horse’s attention to a part of their body. On a more schooled horse, the aids can be refined more and the tapping may be for piaffe. But don’t cross over into hitting - that’s not refined, it’s painful, and it’s not fair to the horse.

I also bring my whip on hacks, as an extension of my arm to keep cars out of our bubble.

I would support no whips in competition in the long run. Do your schooling at home. I am incensed that the FEI yellow card list so often shows “abuse of horse - excessive use of whip, bit or spurs” and the rider gets only a warning or a yellow card. How about elimination from the competition? You abused your horse, you don’t get a placing or a qualifying result. Otherwise, how else can the public see this but that we are condoning abuse?

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I agree.

I don’t understand why we required spurs until recently, yet are coming after the whip.

I feel like spurs get misused continuously, yet it’s not as obvious, so social license permits it.

Meanwhile, one asshat takes an angry swat at their horse with the stick, and suddenly we’re all expected to go without an aid that many of us only carry for safety purposes.

Honestly, I think the bit is the single most abused piece of equipment. Yet we aren’t campaigning for everyone to start riding bridleless. But because whips are more understood by the general public, they take all the flack.

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What I most agree with is his sentiment here:

“The beauty of this moment is that we’re not left without tools; we just need better ones. Groundwork, systematic conditioning, positive reinforcement, pressure-and-release techniques that prioritize feel over force: These are not fringe ideas anymore. They’re mainstream. They’re effective. And they build horses who perform because they understand, not because they fear the alternative.”

I think this piece as well as this mindset in general is a positive thing—we should be evaluating why we do things the way we do in Equestrian sport, and that often it feels as though our ways our grounded in tradition instead of what could be better for us and our horses. Even some responses on this thread seem to highlight how most of us (myself included) will carry a whip/crop out of habit more than anything else. Is it the right thing, just because that’s how we’ve always done it?

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So don’t get me wrong, I am a lower level ammy who has no business telling a professional going around a 4* what kind of bit he needs in his horses mouth. This horse would likely dump me during a quiet evening hack. He has the years of experience and skill to use probably anything well and likely knows what he needs to make his horse listen to him regarding speed and direction…

But why does the sentiment behind use of the whip not match the same thinking with use of the bit? Fit bold brave event horses aside, if we’re going to get a little natural horsemanshipy around tack, shouldn’t we also be speaking about the bit? I have no idea what’s inside the mouth, but I see a gag (or some sort of nose action attached to reins), two sets of reins, a flash, some extra padding, and a running martingale. If all these things are fine, why is a whip used appropriately not also fine?

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I also listened to the Mike Winters podcast and enjoyed it and found this to be of a similar tone, just taking it a bit further. I don’t event (jumper here) but I don’t think being banned at the competition level makes sense because as others have pointed out, it can be used in a way that is a reminder/ reinforcement rather then a punishment.

As for the bit, it looks like a big setup, but I’m pretty sure it’s a Beris Kombi bit which has one of the plastic mouth pieces with an additional rein to use for what basically controls a leather curb strap. He also has a double noseband with a bunch of fleece under it which looks bulky. And a running martingale. I personally would not consider this a rough bit setup, I am a fan of the Beris/trust/nathe plastic mouths and if you don’t want the curb action you simply loosen that rein and have darn near a saffle.

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In the past, carrying a whip and wearing spurs was a “test” of education. Can you do quality dressage on a horse absolutely gorked for phases B and D where a poke with a spur was likely to lead to multiple fatalities? And where dressage allowed the whip we were not.

What is different? NOTHING. But if we are to eliminate the whip on XC, then let’s make sure it can’t be used in dressage, like the past.

This is purely a marketing concept. “Look how well our horses are trained and how good we are because we don’t carry a whip!” I prefer to have all of my aids, natural and artificial, available. Some horses need a bit of a tap or two before start and on course to bring their adrenaline up for the big jumps. It’s not a bad thing. It’s no different than a coach yelling at a player to get their head in the game.

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I don’t disagree with the judicious use as a tool, Reed. The problem is how many don’t use it that way. How many times has Oliver Townend beaten his horses at major televised events and received only a verbal warning? The least we could do is sanction the abuse when it happens. Preferably, prevent it from happening at all.

People are jumping on this saying, why are we trying to appease the ignorant public? Because whips and whipping are easy things for that ignorant public to focus on and we should not condone whipping anyway.

Racing has been making some progress with their whip rules and cushioned whips, because of public sentiment (certainly not because the industry frowns on beating the horses). There is harness racing in Australia I believe that banned whips; Equitation Science proponent Andrew McLean worked with them to learn to train differently.

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Do you honestly believe that this rule change will miraculously change how we train?!

Clearly the issue is with how we create trainers and teach horsemanship. Do all of Matt Brown’s students run without a whip? Should we all ascribe to the same training principles when over the centuries it has been shown time and time again, many different training methods yield the same results.

We already have whip rules. And how many times have they been enforced? Does it change behavior? Let’s start there before creating new rules.

This rule would literally be a way to hide from the public how and why whips are used. I could be completely at will up to the time a competition starts. Who will stop me? And don’t use the “people with smart phones” argument because the only time we see any effect is if it is a high level significant name rider.

And should we judge Michael Jung’s training on the fact he carries a whip?

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