OTTB not careful with foot placement

My OTTB has been coming along nicely. Soft, chill,responsive, consistent WTC, started jumping and making positive progress. I love her. But one flaw I would REALLY like to fix is that when we go trail riding, she isn’t very perceptive of footing hazards. My older pony mare is incredibly careful on the trail, in the ring, and over jumps and I strongly appreciate that. However my pony’s background is very different from my OTTB in that the pony used to rough it out in pasture and woods a lot when we were younger. I love that the TB is so brave but I want her to be careful too. We trail ride once a week, otherwise are in the sandbox and cool out walking around the farm. How do I safely teach my OTTB to pay attention to where she places her feet? And in general to spatial awareness of her surroundings?

Little fun addendum: We were cooling out walking the farm the other day, and she saw a turkey! She briefly side-spooked then was curious, walking the fence while I ogled at the turkey and may have gobbled at it… I’m very proud of her. And of course the turkey booked it lol.

You need to let her find her own footing…it takes more than once a week hacking. You can help while in the ring by scattering some single poles around the ring. DO NOT help her over the poles. Ride you flat work as if there are no poles in the ring and let HER sort out her footsteps and get over the pole. It takes discipline by the rider to do this…and both NOT help the horse but also not punish…so make sure you don’t catch her in the mouth or fall back on her while or force her to alter whatever step she has chosen to avoid the poles.

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Interested in responses as my TB never seemed to care where his feet were. Or where he was or what was around him
He once started backing up to a ledge over a drop of 30 feet.

My Non TB I could trust to always know where his feet were and what was around him. That also made him spookier, the TB was super laid back.

Some horses are born with it, some are not. It is not specific to breed, either. With some, mileage will go a long way, with others it won’t make a difference.

Checking out any possible physical issue (like long toes, unbalanced feet which can impact a horse’s balance on uneven ground) sometimes the only way to solve, is to do.

What would help is knowing what she is doing - is she tripping? If she is tripping, is it up front or behind - are you sure it is not slipping stifle?

What kind of ‘footing hazards’ are on the trail? Any way you can start with a cleaner trail to start off with, and build up? I have trails I won’t go on with green horses, and trails I do go on with seasoned horses - the seasoned path being narrower, full of more brush, and far less tended to than my bridle-path trails.

I have a TB that is my best trail horse - but he does not care about perfectly stepping over every log on the trail. You can hack him on the buckle. He is very lazy but very honest at the same time. He will go where you point him no matter what, but he won’t be snappy about it. Sometimes temperament does come into play about how careful they are in their environment. lol:

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Your mare will benefit from working on proprioception; something I work on with all my horses. Some are born knowing where their feet are - they tend to be the more hypervigilant, “careful” types (though that’s a generalization), others not so much, but they will ALL benefit from exercises to improve this.

What bfne suggested is good: scatter poles around and have her figure out how to negotiate them at walk and trot without rider input (just stay balanced, keep your leg on and give her the rein to stretch down when needed), but cavaletti spaced for walk, trot, and canter distances will also help her - and all horses! When she learns to be more careful, raise them off the ground - they should be ridden in a steady rhythm with a stretchy, long neck and elastic connection.

I have done a lot of TTEAM exercises with my horses when young (or rehabbing); the labyrinth is excellent to improve balance, and helps calm the horse and activate the “thinking brain.”

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The star pattern is also helpful - I raise the ends of the poles and vary the distances (you walk them through in hand), and this really compels the horse to pay attention to where she is placing her feet! Take your time, let her process.

I also like to back the horse over poles (also in hand) step by step, and also work on backing up (in hand) in a slight shoulder-in position. Backing them up gentle hills in hand strengthens the core and hindquarters. Just make sure the head is down and the horse is engaging the core and “coiling the loins” and not hollowing, raising her head, and rushing through while dragging the hind feet - you want deliberate, careful steps.

When riding, lateral work in walk is extremely helpful (TOF, TOH, S/F, S/I), as is working on halting with “a leg at each corner”, gentle stirrup stepping into each hind leg as the horse comes to a halt (“halting into the hind legs”) will help the horse balance herself off her shoulders and develop awareness of shifting the weight back and over all four legs.

Walking over poles in hand, you can halt the horse at various moments with feet between the poles and stand her there for 10-30 seconds so she can “process” where her feet are.

Another exercise I do occasionally is put up a line of about 6- 10 poles and “weave” the horse over them; stepping left over then, then right - using your legs and gentle weight aids to shift the horse back and forth will help you use less rein.

Obviously walking horses over varied terrain (and up and down hills) on trails AND setting up gymnastics, bounces, placing poles, etc. in the ring will all be extremely beneficial.

It takes time to improve this in a horse to whom it doesn’t come naturally (think months), but the good news is that if done consistently, a little will go a long way. Doing 15-20 minutes of the above exercises 3-4 times a week will really pay off down the road.

Best of luck!

ETA: often when horses trip on trails or hacks it’s because they aren’t paying attention (IOW “sightseeing”), hence not paying attention to their feet 😉 In these cases it’s helpful to halt, move the feet around a little (lateral work, TOF in motion, a step or two of reinback) to get the focus back on you, then continue…Rinse repeat as needed.

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Assuming her toes are not too long and she has no stiffness anywhere creating the problem, I’m in the “take them out on the trails and let them figure it out” club. I think mine took about 2 weeks of consistent trail riding to realize he was responsible for his own feet. Now he’s about as careful as they come about footing.

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Instead of just doing trail rides once a week, why not try to incorporate ring work/flatwork out on the trails (or around the farm outside of the ring) more than once a week?

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Bornfree and Dr Dolittle, love it. Sounds like a plan. Beo, Thic, and Pip, Her feet are very up to date rads and farrier. Unfortunately the trails are not readily accessible more frequently than 1x/week. I wish I had more trail riding opportunities, only downfall of current farm.

Heres to another project in lieu of showing.

ETA: She’s not tripping nor slipping up behind. She just makes some stupid decisions about which brush thicket to stick her leg into, which part of the mud puddle to walk through, etc. Also similar to other post above my OTTB started swinging her back end dangerously close to a steep slope/drop off. She just doesn’t pay attention to those kinds of hazards.Three fourths of trails are well groomed. My pony on the other hand is constantly calculating the safest way out. You can see her adjust each footstep for optimal outcome.

Can you put her in a turn out that isn’t beautifully flat and manicured ? Or even throw some poles out in the field, in common walking areas. One of the problems with horses that are in their stalls a lot and who are generally “managed” by humans a lot is that they do not have an opportunity to figure it out in their natural surroundings. I’m not suggesting that you dig a bunch of holes or anything like that! But just put a few obstacles in her field so she can figure it out herself.

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Taking a break from WFH…its funny how this really is something they are born with or not. I’ve had horses both good and not good. My current OTTB is so busy looking around…I never totally trust he knows where his feet are. He has gotten better out hacking but boy he nearly fell with me a few times all from not paying attention…I still give him his head out hacking…but I do look out more for the both of us. But he’s a good boy and a good event horse…he is getting better. Luckily our event courses are mostly groomed and he does look for the fences! Now my young homebred…Anglo-Arab sire, WB dam…so he is a cross. NEVER lived in rough fields…but dang he is VERY aware of his surroundings (without site-seeing) and where his feet are. Bold…but measured. He took me across a natural ditch bog today on a trail very unexpectedly…It was cutting across the field we were hacking and I was thinking how to get around it without back tracking…he put his head down, took a look and before I realized it…he said, right here we can cross and took us safely and calmly through. I was floored. Good baby horse…definitely born that way!

OP…I love my other OTTB who is much more like your mare. They can still make lovely lovely event horses…keep working out it…but also accept them for who they are. You may just need to have to watch out for them just a bit when out hacking.

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Have you checked for physical reasons? Mine was a lot like yours; fine in the arena and brave on the trail but would stumble in front on uneven ground. I chalked it up to laziness or just not paying attention for quite a while but it turned out to be a physical cause behind it. Most of the OTTBs I have had are pretty careful with how they move; their athleticism and sensitivity seem to make them more careful IMO. So often times there are physical reasons behind these kinds of issues.

In my world you gain the most out of the simple things like going out on hacks. You’ll get to see things, you need to walk over and around things which normally builds awareness in your horse. All this is of course always depending a bit on how and where you live. Don’t know how long you had your horse but it takes a while for them to settle in and become riding horses.

This is my solution. I have a couple of uneven fields that have bushes/slopes/mud. Brilliant for teaching a horse to pay attention to what they’re doing.

I also like a fairly heavy set of over reach boots. It helps the horse to pay attention because there’s something there calling their attention.

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One of my OTTBs that I used to have also had no concept of how to pick up her feet on a trail or watch where she was going. What I did was pony her off my steady eddie and she’d follow along like a trooper and trip over every log or root or rock out there. After about 15 minutes or so, I looked behind me and there she is with her nose to the ground inspecting every step of the way watching for hazards. She learned by doing and she turned into a lovely and careful jumper and a good trail horse as well.

A friend had a huge warmblood that she did jumpers with. She met one of our trail club members and they started dating so she would be riding her horse, in an English saddle no less, up in the mountains on all the gnarly trails with drops and things to cross, etc. The usual stuff out in the mountains. Her trainer was beside herself thinking the horse was going to die if he took a step out of their manicured ring. However, the opposite was true, his jumping improved and he became very unflappable and his work ethic improved now that he wasn’t stuck in an arena.

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I love that, that’s pretty cool. I’ve thought about ponying the TB off the pony, but the TB offers to nip my pony. Maybe I’ll try again but hold her head in closer

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You could just put a grazing muzzle on her while you pony her. To keep her from nipping

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I can’t believe I didn’t think of that. That’s a great idea, thank you.

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I’m convinced my OTTB must have been in flat pastures and on flat dirt surfaces, free of obstacles, before I got him. It just didn’t seem to have occurred to him that he needed to pick his foot up and step over a pole, not on it. Or not acknowledge it at all. He would trip hard over a pole on the ground.

We have worked on the ground over poles on the ground, slowly so he can think and process. He got the idea of stepping over the poles pretty quickly. Then to the idea of watching where he was going, with the poles laid irregularly on the ground. Or in squares, etc. That was a brand new thought for him – look down at what is on the ground, and connect that with where your feet go.

I don’t think he had ever thought about his feet and legs at all. He had several, that’s all he knew. He mobilized by just pushing with his quarters, and didn’t do much about his balance and definitely didn’t worry about where his feet were being set down.

He and I have gradually worked on this like it is a game or a puzzle. He has adapted and is learning about thinking about where his feet and legs go as a first principal of movement. He’s kind of into it, and seems quite glad to substitute this challenge for galloping down a track.

I am also introducing him to arena trail obstacles and tracks. Stepping over timbers, and stepping through tires, etc. One of the most challenging is backing up through a maze, being responsive and carefully placing his feet according to handler/rider direction. This is another new thought for him to incorporate.

Now we are starting to work on the idea of picking up feet even taller to trot cavaletti, and to canter small obstacles on the longe. Also a new idea! But he is grasping this one faster than he has his previous new thoughts. Also he figured out quickly that he can just elevate over - that is, do a true jump. So that works.

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Peter Atkins would use ground poles littered like Pick Up Stix in his clinics. A purpose and a reason for all kinds of games and experiences for young horses and riders. Learning to let go and let the horse figure out some things.

Interesting … my horse, who is appendix QH, has been very careful with his feet since day one. He also can be spooky … but not in the “lose his mind” sense. He’s not the type to spook himself into a dangerous situation. It’s just that he doesn’t miss anything.

He’s also very careful and clever over fences, in addition to being careful over terrain.