Exactly our horse was uneven on the circle and vet advised them of this I was there for the whole inspection our horse has only been lame 4 Nd 1/2 years ago with a nasty deep seated abscess has no history of lameness after that and has been competed ridden regularly by Us And another rider . We also were very surprised worried by her unevenness so we said to this prospective buyer we would pay for further diagnostics by a top vet ie X Rays , blocking and ultrasound . And that we would let them know results … Our horse has no known “condition” if she did we would of definitely disclosed this when offering her for sale . Personally I could never not disclose a condition if a horse had an ongoing problem as this would certainly be unfair on the horse let alone a new owner . Our priority is the health and well being of our much loved horse especially when she is to go to a new owner !
BAHAHAHAHAHA
BY which I mean, no effing way should you cover costs
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Good Lord. I’m so thrilled to see new levels of insanity. The old ones were starting to seem almost banal.[/QUOTE]
This.
People are full of endless surprises.
With our last post, OP, I am thinking this woman feels your offer to pay for further diagnostics equals you are willing to pay for everything.
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PPE: max 200$ (and that is pushing it)
Hotel for 1 night: (let’s go wild) 200$/night
Meals (lunch, supper, breakfast, lunch) : 40$/meal= 160$ / [/QUOTE]
You must live in a cheaper part of the world. $200 for a PPE is kind of low, $200 for one night (one room) is not crazy high, etc.
I think you are over reacting a little here. The OP is not hiding anything. She admits there was a lameness many years back. She has the vet records to go with the lameness.
No logical horse person is going to assume an abscess from years ago, that has not been a problem since, is now a huge issue.
We have all been over and over what “failing a PPE” means. The OP accurately represented the horse; something came up on the PPE and the prospective buyer could have stopped right there. The OP offered a very reasonable option. But no, when horse shopping one does not get a refund of vetting fees and travel costs if the horse doesn’t meet the buyer’s requirements.
But buyers are weird. I am still getting over one buyer calling my Fjords feral because they weren’t in daily work. I would simply stop talking to this buyer and move on.
maybe this is a really dumb question, but how can a horse be 2/5 lame? Does it have five legs?
Vets use a scale of 0-5 to assess possible lameness (0 is sound, 5 is most lame) http://www.thehorse.com/articles/19105/understanding-the-prepurchase-exam
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maybe this is a really dumb question, but how can a horse be 2/5 lame? Does it have five legs?[/QUOTE]
The scale is based on 5. 5 being really lame in that leg, one being barely noticeably lame in that leg.
Pay her. And pay my air fare so I can have a freebie holiday in America. I’ll pretend to want to buy your horse and arrange a vet exam. If you also pay for my stay for a fortnight at the San Francisco Marriott hotel.
Thank-you:)
No way!! I’ve never heard of such a thing. Besides, PPEs results aren’t “pass” or “fail”, the vet informs the potential buy of his/her findings and then the buyer decides whether any issues found are things they can live with or not, given their budget for maintenance and their plans for the horse.
Oh, Man. Alexie, I was going to fly out to Calif. for a fun day of trying the horse, if you come then she won’t have enough money to pay me when I don’t buy the horse, too.
Need to find me a good prospect in Hawaii. I expect it will take me several days and lots of saddle time to decide I don’t want him after all.
@Trubandloki: The PPE was only longing and flexions. No X-Rays. I know it can be more expensive than that!
The sarcastic and cranky side in me would have replied “Well you rode the horse last and caused the lameness, please pay for my vet bills to further diagnose what you have done to my horse.”
The nerve!
Best advice is to not engage further… but man it must be tempting!
Say What??? I WISH I could have been repaid for the horses I had vetted that had questionable results that made me turn them down. As to cost, I’m not sure these days with regard to a horse of riding age. PPE when I vetted my present horse at age 2.5 (and not started under saddle) was less than $200, including blood work. I wasn’t even there, but I told vet that if there was anything questionable, to go ahead with x-rays, but there wasn’t, so he basically “passed” with one notation about “overflexibility” (!?!), but even the vet said “not enough to walk away from unless you demand the absolutely perfect horse - but your decision.” And - oh - the horse was a good 4-5 hour drive from where I live, so yeah, hotel (well, motel) involved, plus a lot of gas in my ancient, gas guzzling truck. If he hadn’t “passed,” I sure would have like reimbursement, but it never would have occurred to me to demand that. PPEs are on the purchaser!
No, she cannot do that. I looked at many horses and did PPEs on several. 4 of them did not pass for various reasons. Since I paid for the exams, I wouldn’t give the owners access to the records unless they wanted to pay me for the X-rays(36 views). I simply didn’t want other buyers to be mislead if someone altered them… Anyways, I would never blame the seller for this! Horses have issues that we don’t know about all the time. Its not their fault there is an OCD in the joint or they have navicular, etc.!
Agree that the vetting is on the purchaser.
I have only had one instance where I wanted to be reimbursed for my PPE expenses (or at least a portion of them), which the seller agreed to. Horse had not been vetted since imported years ago. I did the full PPE expecting to buy and it came back not great. Trainer and seller wanted to have access to present to future buyers so I said sure…I would just like to recoup some of the costs if the other buyers elect to take my PPE instead of seeking their own. If they had not wanted the PPE, I also would not have expected to be reimbursed!
Horse probably sensed that new potential owner was a nut job and decided to “fail” on purpose!
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10 meter circle on concrete huh? Bet over half of our horses on this board would be at least 1/5 on that…[/QUOTE]
My jaded side questions if this is just a way for my profession to find something they can knock…