[QUOTE=sketcher;6130870]
It sounds lit there was a legal dispute over the usage of the suffix on her stallion. Perhaps 2 farms were using the same suffix? That, to me is a perfectly valid explanation. I could see where a farm might dispute a duplicate suffix on a breeding stallion.[/QUOTE]
yes BEFORE she ever came along and she is following the terms of the suit…
Tamara
The thing is…
Frequently two people hear the same words and think different things.
Which can lead to someone thinking they had an agreement for X and the other thinking they had an agreement for Y.
Not saying that is or is not the case here, just saying that just because someone appears to not be doing what you thought you agreed to does not mean the person is evil and not trustworthy.
It might simply be that the person and you did not really agree on what you thought you were agreeing on.
Well, we only have the OP’s side, don’t we?
How do we know what exactly this “verbal agreement” consisted of? Was everyone REALLY on the same page?
Again - that is the reason for a written contract. To spell things out CLEARLY so that everyone can understand them.
Therefore, if we’re going to be footstamping about being “screwed” it’s in reference to a binding document agreed to by both parties, not a reference to an alleged private conversation that may or may not have happened months ago that may or may not be clouded by emotion.
Perhaps he intended to hold true his promise to Maggie but then someone brought it to his attention that the name may be … a bit … ahem! so he changed it? He may not have intentionally tried to dupe anyone.
Incidentally, on the other side of the coin, I bought a mare a couple of years ago. The barn name I was given was a shortened version of her (pleasant and nice) registered name. I searched for and finally found her breeder (and owner for most of her life) who told me the barn name of the mare. Initially I laughed my head off and thought no way would I ever in a million years call her this out loud; BUT I started using it as a joke and found that the mare knew it! Within no time I slipped into calling her it permanently. As much as I agree it’s still a totally ridiculous name, it was clearly given to her with a lot of fondness from her breeder and I now I’ve come to love it as it is really a part of her and who she is.
I hope both parties are able to get over this hiccup. I always think of any of my sold horses by the name I gave them however when they change hands and if the new owner chooses to change that name it’s okay with me, and to be honest even if it wasn’t I REALLY wouldn’t want to lose contact or have a fall out with the new owner as I like to keep track of all my guys and gals.
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6130773]
if people are calling for lawsuits over name changes and the OP says there has been “something” that keeps his name as it is…
then that is a fine enough answer for me
Tamara[/QUOTE]
Reread for clarity. Someone else was involved in a lawsuit and no reason was given -there was no mention of a name change as any reason for the suit. Also did not mention ‘why’ OP decided to change her horse’s name other than conjecture. Emotion was probably involved there also.
[QUOTE=S A McKee;6130511]
Horses with FEI passports can and do have their names changed. Often to insert a sponsors name at the start of the name.
Are you saying EVERY foal born in Ireland regardless of registry can’t have a name change? I can think of several eventers that were inported and the names were changed.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think that’s what Napoles was saying. Yeah I’m sure horse’s are imported all the time and get “new” identities. But it may be harder to import a 4* horse to compete at the upper levels and change his/her name. But I don’t think, like Napoles has stated, you can change an FEI passport. But look horse’s get “lost” papers in transit all the time from Europe to America but the system there allows for this. Basically cheating and fraud. It’s a whole lot more than a name change.
But again, most people I know over here would never change a name. You just don’t really.
This is something she should have addressed earlier, and her failure to do so is not the buyer’s fault. Asking the buyer offhand not to change the name is not sufficient, and although it would have been nice for the seller to keep the name-- he was under no obligation to do so, and what he did is not so unusual or unexpected. It’s his horse, his property, his money. He’s calling it what he wants to call it because he can.
If you want to keep your horse’s name. Keep the horse. If you want to sell it and the name is of critical importance, make that part of the agreement. Period. Otherwise, don’t expect someone who buys a horse to keep the name. And to get emotional when they don’t, is, frankly, really unrealistic!
This bears repeating.
Another point - it absolutely doesn’t matter what the horse’s name is or what double entendre it could signify. Without a contract, the horse’s name is the owner’s choice.
Am I the only one who finds the talk about what the initials in the suffix “could mean” ridiculous? Seriously people grow up. You’re acting like a three year old that says poop. Are you really not mature enough to hear the name Backstage MF and not think of something gross? :no: Pathetic.
[QUOTE=CHSatwork;6130889]
Am I the only one who finds the talk about what the initials in the suffix “could mean” ridiculous? Seriously people grow up. You’re acting like a three year old that says poop. Are you really not mature enough to hear the name Backstage MF and not think of something gross? :no: Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Oh golly I used to be … until this thread appeared! It never even occurred to me previously that there was anything bizarre about it, but now I don’t think I’ll ever be able to think of Backstage OR MF any other way 
You are aware that there are people who are not adults at horse shows, right?
Actually a good amount of those teen things are there. And they are not mature enough to read Backstage MF and not thing of other things. And since this is a pony it really needs a name that will not lead to snide comments to its rider about its name.
[QUOTE=fordtraktor;6130589]
No, you are not. One of the myraid reasons why riders will never take the naming thing seriously.
On the other hand, there’s no good reason an (ethical) rider would have a problem with a lifetime number, to the contrary many of us would love to know the breeding on a few of our favorite “unknowns.” If I were a breeder, I would jump on that bandwagon instead of getting my panties in a wad about a couple of letters no one recognizes anyway.
I have a colt with my farm’s prefix in his breed name – and I don’t even plan to show him USEF using the prefix myself.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree 
One horse/ one number, breeder and pedigree recorded whenever possible and make it very inexpensive to transfer ownership compared to creating a new number. If we can accomplish that, I think we will be further ahead than if we make our buyers regret doing business with us by demanding THEIR horse show under a name they dislike. Most of the buyers I know would look elsewhere (i.e. Europe) before dealing with that kind of drama.
FWIW, I know very few people who have changed a horse’s registered name. Most just record their choice with USEF and leave the breed/registry papers as is. I believe that some registries allow you to compete for breed awards by listing the horse under both names (pretty sure AHS does). I think that might be a good compromise. I’m sure there are a few that were changed for nefarious reasons, but I think the vast majority just want to hear their preferred name as they enter the ring.
[QUOTE=babecakes;6130885]
Reread for clarity. Someone else was involved in a lawsuit and no reason was given -there was no mention of a name change as any reason for the suit. Also did not mention ‘why’ OP decided to change her horse’s name other than conjecture. Emotion was probably involved there also.[/QUOTE]
I did.
The op answered that a lawsuit occurred over the animal before she came along <no?> and she cannot talk about it…
ok fine with me question answered…
do you know something about the animal that we don’t?
Ashemont just mentioned the same thing (in the driving forum) by not wanting to give a back story on the pony they just found…no one is screaming for blood there…
Tamara
[QUOTE=trubandloki;6130909]
You are aware that there are people who are not adults at horse shows, right?
Actually a good amount of those teen things are there. And they are not mature enough to read Backstage MF and not thing of other things. And since this is a pony it really needs a name that will not lead to snide comments to its rider about its name.[/QUOTE]
Oh brother. I have a teenager and 2 twenty somethings. None would read his name and giggle like a little kid. Maybe the adults here need to set a better example for the next generations? I know it’s hopeless. :no:
[QUOTE=CHSatwork;6130889]
Am I the only one who finds the talk about what the initials in the suffix “could mean” ridiculous? Seriously people grow up. You’re acting like a three year old that says poop. Are you really not mature enough to hear the name Backstage MF and not think of something gross? :no: Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
We’re all adults at my office and this local Chinese takeout place’s website never fails to elicit snickers or calls of “Who wants some ‘Handy Nasty’??”
I don’t want unintentional double entendres or weirdness in my horse’s names. I don’t like sex jokes in horse names. I don’t like alphabet soup. I don’t like overused names. I don’t like lots of stuff. There’s a stallion called “Creme Yer Genes.” That name is gross, IMHO. If I bought a horse with that name, I’d change it. If I bought a horse named some crazy string of word “Chip’s Lena Bar Poco Lark,” I’d change that too. I am not a fan of letter-only pre/suffixes. If I bought “CMF Diamond Girl” or “Showstopper SSF” I might drop the letters. I like what I like. And it’s my money so I get to make the call. You think it’s immature and don’t mind, and that’s your call for you horse’s names.
I put too much time and energy into this thing I call my hobby not to call my horses a name I like.
I have, for the record, kept 2 registered names. One for a horse who was so shown and well known by his name by the time I bought him and one out of respect/appreciation for breeder who sold him to me (and my horse is listed as an offspring on his famous sire’s studbook page). 2 times I didn’t. One was an OTTB and the breeders ignored my attempts to contact them and frankly broke the horse before I got him so I don’t care either way what they think. One young/unshown horse from a breeder who I like very much but didn’t care for the name, so I told her I was changing it and she didn’t object-- paid the fee and the name was changed.
Oh brother. I have a teenager and 2 twenty somethings. None would read his name and giggle like a little kid.
I’m guessing they would, but that’s neither here nor there. Text speak is everywhere, so people are a little more sensitive to the possible meanings of abbreviations – we’re just more conditioned to it now.
That having been said, I can’t look at the stallion names in the OP’s sig line without hearing them in Samuel L. Jackson’s voice. I kind of wish the OP would name one of her foals Bad MF. Because I am 12 and it makes me laugh and laugh.
Owner Input…
Wow, I’m late to this party…
I know breeders like to keep track of their offspring. I haven’t changes any of my previous show horses’ names out of respect to their lifetime acomplishments, though two of mine came to me with show names different than their registered names.
My schoolmaster’s name lost it’s suffix.
My appendix QH had two complete name changes (reg’d AQHA: Pay Day Speedy Reg’d USHJA: Sgt. Bilko, Reg’d USDF/USEq: Arlberg). I kept Arlberg, since it fit him, but no force on earth would make me call him Sgt Bilko!:eek:
Now my stable has two young mares and one homebred gelding (obviously, he shows under his registered name). The two mares each have passports, where their ‘official’ names are recorded however if their breeders had wanted their suffix/prefix in their USDF show names, they should have registered them with the USDF or USEF prior to the sale. Since I’m paying that fee (which is way higher at 4 than as foals, btw), I’m naming my girls something I’ll enjoy hearing announced at shows (which means dropped suffixes/prefixes). The breeder will still get recognition as “breeder” at shows, but the name is all mine.
If the breeder wanted control over names, some incentive program, or mention in the contract would have been needed. I know that the contract with my dog’s breeder includes enrollment in an incentive program: if my (spayed) poodle earns any titles, the breeder will award me a partial refund on her purchase price.
Also, OP, I know you said that you weren’t hysterical but called “after a bad day”. Don’t do that. If I called my clients after a crappy day with my frustration obvious in my voice, they’d file a complaint with my boss. It’s a business; professionalism goes a long way.
I have another horse now that I bought from the breeder. His registered name is so long that at best, half of his name makes it within the printing limits of the show programs…so I contacted the breeder and asked her how she wanted him entered. I understood that she wanted the farm name as recognition, but honestly, why she picked one that is that long is just ridiculous. This poor horses name is 38 characters long. I understood that if I shortened it to LW, people might not make the connection. She ended up telling me to use the farm name and a VERY short version of his name, which is the call name we use in the barn and about 20 characters shorter than his registered name.
I realize I could have just changed his name, or just picked some shortened version but it was a situation where the breeder had drastically cut the price of the horse in order to get him in my barn and shown and I felt an obligation to consult her.
[QUOTE=CHSatwork;6130889]
Am I the only one who finds the talk about what the initials in the suffix “could mean” ridiculous? Seriously people grow up. You’re acting like a three year old that says poop. Are you really not mature enough to hear the name Backstage MF and not think of something gross? :no: Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
And you’re not going to laugh when you drive past the Fu Kein Chinese Buffet? Things do have double meanings and some people do have a warped sense of humor. Try working around Sailors - people do think like that, all the time.
Honestly, I thought Backstage was just ordinary; cute story, but an ordinary name. Bad MF would be more entertaining.
[QUOTE=loshad;6130934]
I’m guessing they would, but that’s neither here nor there. Text speak is everywhere, so people are a little more sensitive to the possible meanings of abbreviations – we’re just more conditioned to it now.
That having been said, I can’t look at the stallion names in the OP’s sig line without hearing them in Samuel L. Jackson’s voice. I kind of wish the OP would name one of her foals Bad MF. Because I am 12 and it makes me laugh and laugh.[/QUOTE]
I’m so happy I’m not you.
[QUOTE=CHSatwork;6130974]
I’m so happy I’m not you.[/QUOTE]
Really, loshad seems to have a sense of humor and isn’t rude. I kind of like those qualities 
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