If you are an owner with a regular trainer/rider (same person), what do you pay?
I do not ride my horse but have a regular trainer/rider who also shows my horse and wondering What the average pay is above the daily care? I just want to be sure I am being fair to my trainer/rider.
Of course I pay the boarding and training rate. As well as farrier, modalities, veterinary, any tack that is needed, as well as show fees and trip and stabling charges for off-site rides, training, or shows. Also reimburse for lessons from other trainers.
But, as there normally a supplemental percentage or “salary” that is fair? On top of all that? What is the norm? How does everybody do it? Thanks in advance.
Generally, trainers ride and show client’s horses and are paid standard fees for all, the care, boarding, training and showing?
Individuals not trainers pay for riding other’s nice, well trained horses that the owner lets them ride, thru a lease contract, not the other way around?
I have let juniors ride horses free I carried all expenses, horses I kept in training with a trainer, when I had several surgeries and that worked great all around.
May work with adults also, but the owner doesn’t has to pay for any rider not a pro to ride their horse?
One reason, if not a trainer, you can be an amateur and show in all those classes.
If you accept money for riding horses, you lose that.
Non pro riders are not paid so as not to lose amateur status for amateur classes.
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I charge $25 for every day rides (30-45 minutes plus tack/untack basic grooming). When I ride other people’s horses at events I charged $125 plus gas if I did everything, or $75 if they groomed and hauled their own horse. I’m definitely at the low end of local things though!
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I could be misunderstanding the relationship.
My horse is in training and has a regular rider that rides 3 days a week under the trainer and I ride 3 days a week.
If another rider wants to sit on my horse or show my horse they pay me a day lease fee. If the trainer wants horse to show, I pay all show fees but don’t pay the rider, it comes out of my trainers show fees. I don’t pay additional as it’s included in trainers program.
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$35
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It totally depends on the skills of the “rider”. I’m a little confused if the person is not a “trainer” but is getting paid. Last year I was paying a young (like 19 year old) “trainer” to put some jumping rides on a mare I had for sale. She charged $30 for a training ride, and I think I paid her like $50-60 to ride at local schooling shows (I would haul the horse and do the grooming and handling). The rest of the week I would school the horse on the flat or over smaller jumps.
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I think that if the trainer/rider required a salary on top of all that you are already paying, it would be their responsibility to ask for and negotiate that amount with you.
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Is the rider the trainer? If you are paying the training rate, why would you pay anything else? The training rate is the trainers salary. If they want a raise, that’s on them to raise their rates.
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Bob was at his trainer’s for a 2 week tune up earlier this month. She charges $40/day for board and a daily training ride. Same for board and a lesson for me. I think she’s trying to build a client base or she’s really cut me a deal because her boss (head trainer, she’s his assistant trainer) charges $75/day for the same board + training. I like her better than the head trainer --she’s less intimidating and more patient with my old age issues (need to catch my breath every half hour before finishing the lesson).
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Sometimes there are mutually beneficial arrangements. For instance, my first year of college, some small-time breeders I knew were fed up with their stallion’s reining trainer, and liked how I rode, so they boarded him where I could train him while I was in college, and paid me a small stipend that was probably about what I would have gotten if I’d worked a few hours a week at a minimum wage job. They paid all expenses when we showed, but didn’t pay me any extra for the weekends away. That took me out of ammy status, but I was not training for anyone else.
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The situations I’m most familiar with, the owners were essentially providing quality horses for the trainer to show that helped build the resume of the trainer.
Personally, I never paid extra for a trainer to ride my horse at a show and I paid the entries. I have a friend who bought a super fancy horse for her trainer to ride and show and she doesn’t even pay board on that horse, the trainer pays all the expenses as she wouldn’t have access to this quality horse otherwise.
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My trainer has several horses in full training and showing for various people who do not live where the trainer does, such as one breeder she works with a lot including buying her own young horses from. I think there is a monthly rate she is paid for being the exclusive rider for the horse (meaning, it might now always be a training ride if the horse needs a hack or something one day that a local client might take care of themselves with their horse, not have the trainer do). Trainer doesn’t own the barn, so that is not a part of board. Other clients pay per contact, whether a ride or a lesson or coaching at a show for a day or a show ride. Show expenses or clinics with other trainers where she is riding are paid by the horse owners.
If you are paying a full training rate that encompasses the full time work trainer is putting in as the horse’s sole rider, then I think you are compensating them fairly. If they aren’t charging enough, that’s on them. But maybe a holiday bonus or occasional gifts for good results would be nice. In h/j land, riders will sometimes get a cut of prize money which is not a thing in dressage.
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