You are missing the point - that these mongrels CANNOT BE REGISTERED. That leaves them at much higher risk of being unwanted.
What’s in a registry when it’s only about parentage? What about all the “purebred” horses who never get registered for various reasons? Do you really, really think that the majority of the horse-owning population cares about a registration paper? What about the countless horses whose parents should never have been bred, much less multiple times, who are registered as a QH (or TB or Arab or TWH or or or) but are sickle-hocked and pigeon toed and ewe-necked and sway-backed?
By this argument, a ill-conformed horse who can’t stay sound for any work, but who’s a pure-bred Arab (which you breed) and therefore registerable is more desirable than this poor, poor unregisterable pinto/appy cross who might, for all we know, be one of the most well-put together horses any of us have seen.
Why does registration in a registry that couldn’t care less what the horse looks like or what its parents did seem to be only an issue when it comes to a color you don’t like?
You breed Arabs, correct? Or at least part-Arabs, presumably Arab/WB crosses - is that right?
Does the Arab world have a performance or inspection requirement to be approved for breeding? If you say no, but you have your Warmblood breeding performance/inspection rules that say whether or not your Arabs are suitable for the WB world, how do you think your Arabs came into being? They were bred in a registry that has no such requirements other than their parents were also purebred Arabs.
YOUR world revolves around registerable animals. That’s fine, I actually love it, I wish they’d all do that. But they don’t, and a registration paper does not make the animal any more conformationally correct or suitable to do his job.
You are missing the point. For the fourth or fifth time that it has been pointed out in this thread. AQHA has pinto patterns AND appy patterns in its horses!
If an AQHA pinto and an AQHA appaloosa are crossed and it pops out with both pinto and app patterns it WILL be registered!
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You are missing the point - that these mongrels CANNOT BE REGISTERED. That leaves them at much higher risk of being unwanted.[/QUOTE]
Actually, they CAN be registered. You just don’t care for the available registry options.
I’m not sure how unregistered ended up being synonymous with low quality anyway. I have met hundreds of individuals who are pleased as could be to own and ride a high-quality unregistered horse. Virtually every single lesson horse (all twelve of them) at an eventing barn I use to board at was an unregistered cross-breed of some type.
The vast majority of the horse owning world does not show in breed shows or participate in any kind of horse activity that REQUIRES papers.
I have bought and sold several unregistered horses in my time. Never had a problem getting them sold for a good price because they were quality animals.
Does anyone know if this horse is allowed appaloosa registration in USA?.. technically it shouldnt be, since it has noappaloosa parentage, and quarterhorse is only allowed to be used as an outcross.
belambi, if you are referring to the OP’s horse, then no, the resulting offspring is not registerable Appy, as they do not accept a pinto cross, same as the Pinto registry does not accept an appy cross.
LOL… no. but thanks…
Was referring to the AQHA crop out,
Oh, lol, sorry, it was getting confusing here :lol:
Yes, now a cropout QH can be registered AQHA, now that they’ve gotten rid of the excessive white rule.
Oh, lol, sorry, it was getting confusing here :lol:
Yes, now a cropout QH can be registered AQHA, now that they’ve gotten rid of the excessive white rule.
So, yes it can be AQHA registered… But… it would need a major rule change to get appaloosa registration, since it has no known appaloosa parentage?
If I was breeding for myself and could offer the offspring a forever home, I would tell the nay sayers to go shit up a rope. However, if you are interested in a market, I would suspect it would be very shallow.
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If I was breeding for myself and could offer the offspring a forever home, I would tell the nay sayers to go shit up a rope. However, if you are interested in a market, I would suspect it would be very shallow.[/QUOTE]
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LOL, you caught my post in the few seconds before I deleted it LOL I posted in relation to non-appy cropout white, and then considered you might have meant appy cropout white, and didn’t have that answer :o
If a horse was a crop out Appy, from non appy parents, it could be hard shipped registered ApHC if the horse was gelded or spayed.
so, now,technically as a stallion he cant get to apps?
As a stallion he could not get App papers.
However if the App cropout was TB, Arab, and Quarter Horse he could be crossed with an Appaloosa and his offspring could be registered ApHC.
Interesting isnt it… because here, he couldnt be used even from those other stud books… since we allow no excessive white outcross… (unless they were to follow the logical path which would be to differentiate between app markings and excessive white)
You know what, I completely forgot about the fact that the appaloosa crop out would fall under the excessive white.
I will have to go and check and find out if he could be used.
Ok I went and found out that if a horse has “Undesirable white markings” on his papers, they are not allowed to be used to sire ApHC horses.
New to the rules this year though is that any ApHC x ApHC cross that comes out with what was previously too much white to be registered will now be allowed to be registered.
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I barely know how to respond to this post:eek: The reasoning boggles the mind:eek:
I will, however, say about the last paragraph: 'Sure, BYB’s are always looking for the next big thing to make a buck or two out of, so sure, yeah, they’ll go for the colored mutt before the solid one:lol:
At the risk of sounding like a ‘breed snob’ (tough titties:lol:) I will also say this - some folks’ standards might just be a tad higher than others, and, some folks prefer to err on the side of caution for the sake of the horse.[/QUOTE]
Nope. It just comes down to this- the foal is already on the ground, and there is no changing that. The reasoning shouldn’t boggle your mind. The argument as to why not to breed these two breeds together is because of COLOR. There has not been a single argument why not to breed because of conformation, bloodlines, temperment, etc… nope, just COLOR. So- I will not breed chestnut. Same thing. Now, if I walked around saying that, Im sure you all would consider me a fruit loop; what exactly is the difference?
Look at Minis- one of THE biggest names in miniature horses is a pintaloosa- that coloring sure didn’t hold him back one bit did it?
As far as being a “breed snob” I could say the same thing about myself- I wont take your comment as a stab at me. I breed Arabian horses- and am breeding two this year. One mare is my Saddleseat Futurity Champion as well as Halter Champion mare being bred to an SE Simeon Shai and Thee Desperado grandson. The other mare is being bred to the 2008 USEF horse of the year for 1st level dressage and overall sports horse.
As in the Australian Simeon Sha??
if so…well then the breeding must be amazing!!
