"Palomino" filly from non-dilute lines, what color is she?

[Hampton_Bay]

My surprise filly was born “chestnut” pinto. I use the quotes because I officially have not the faintest clue what color this little bugger is. She’s just shy of 3months, and as she has shed her foal coat, she looks palomino. Not even a dark palomino, but the more pale creamy palomino. Her mane is mostly white due to her pinto markings, but what isn’t white due to pinto is the same pale palomino coloring of the rest of her coat. Eyes are brown, not Amber.

Her dam is a chestnut, but not red. She’s more of a brown chestnut. Sire is either b&w paint or bay and white paint. Grandsire is b$w paint from two black-based horses. Dam of the b&w possible sire is a red chestnut. Dam of the bay & white possible sire is a grey and white paint, unknown coloring on her prior to going grey. That stallion doesn’t seem like he could be a super dark buckskin like some I have seen, where the creme almost seems to hide. These horses are a mix of standardbred, paint, and lord knows what.

I can send pics if anyone can post them. I’m honestly just curious what on earth color she may be.

[Simkie]

Could the sire be a smoky black? They are often very difficult to differentiate from true black.

You could just test your filly for creme

And you can upload pics to photobucket or whatever and link them.

[Hampton_Bay]

That thought occurred to me, but I’ve always heard smokey black horses fade somewhat in the sun. These stallions do not fade. The potential sire and his sire both stay very black, despite being out 24/7. Of course I could be incorrect, and fading isn’t a characteristic of smokey black.

And then her mane has parts that are very much not white, as does her tail. At first we thought maybe she was roan, but it doesn’t look like that close up.

I will try to get pictures tomorrow.

[Bats79]

Only costs $25 to find out officially.

[Daventry]

Impossible for anyone to comment on this thread without photos of the foal. In case others may not know, it is impossible to have a palomino, buckskin or smoky black foal (single dilute) unless one of the parents is also palomino, buckskin or smoky black, as the dilute parent needs to pass their dilute gene on to the foal in order to produce a dilute foal.

“If” the foal is indeed a palomino, then as someone else already stated, the sire must be smoky black, not black…or the mare was bred to a different stallion without the Mare Owners knowledge.

Is it possible the sire is turning grey (is he young?) and may have passed along the grey gene to the filly?

[TrueColours]

If I was at home I could post pictures of Blacksaddle Starbuck a Morgan stallion that looks bay but is in fact buckskin. So I would suspect the sire was either buckskin , smoky black or smoky brown

many of my palomino foals were born a deep red chestnut with deep redmanes and tails so the fact this foal doesn’t visually look palomino doesn’t mean a thing

[Hampton_Bay]

I cant get pics to load onto photobucket. If anyone has a premium membership, I will gladly text pics to post. She’s pretty cute.

I know one of the potential daddies would have to carry cream. I went and looked at them all today, as close as I could get since only one is halter broken, and the bay looks very much BAY. Very chocolatey reddish bay. The black and whites do look pretty faded, again best I can tell from 30 feet or so, despite my DH claiming they have always looked black black to him.

No other potential dads. These are the only stallions on the block aside from a purebred standardbred about 1/2 mile the other direction. He’s definitely not pinto, and this filly definitely is. Granted I didn’t know she was in foal until there was a foal, but I don’t know of anyone who brought a dilute stallion out to visit.

No chance for grey. All stallions are at least 5 years old with no signs of greying.

I don’t want to pull hair for testing yet. She’s been kinda “tortured” by shots, worming, hoof trimming, and temporary weaning, and with living out 24/7 she’s not the easiest thing to catch yet. I don’t want to add more reasons for her to hate us.

[Simkie]

[QUOTE=TrueColours;7849213]
If I was at home I could post pictures of Blacksaddle Starbuck a Morgan stallion that looks bay but is in fact buckskin. So I would suspect the sire was either buckskin , smoky black or smoky brown[/QUOTE]

http://www.colorfulmorgans.com/Devine/starbuck.html

Hampton, I sent you a PM with my contact info. I am happy to get some pics of your filly online.

Sound like the “black” stallion might be the best guess, if he’s fading?

[Sheila_A]

And then there is Yeager GF who also is buckskin but looks dark bay:

https://www.facebook.com/YeagerGF

[D_BaldStockings]

Chestnut can be very light in some foals
http://www.kenwoodstud.com/images/kmistypearl9jun2008ph0.jpg

[Hampton_Bay]

Simkie, I will send you pics tomorrow. I need to get a recent one. I have foal coat pics, but not ones from the past few days. She seems to just get lighter and lighter.

These bay stallions don’t have any of the golden undertones of a “hidden” buckskin. They are very much chocolate brown. Not even dark bay, no sooty, nothing. I’m thinking if she’s palomino, she’s by one of the b&w stallions.

At least her dam has managed to survive. Still not out of the woods, but she’s fighting. Poor old girl.

[Simkie]

Alright, pics! (I think she look palomino, Hampton! :))

At about 2 weeks

Another at about 2 weeks

Yesterday

[vineyridge]

That last one definitely looks like a palomino pinto.

OP, spend the money and have the test done, please. It’s fascinating.

[Fourbeats]

The first two pics, I would have said she’s a light chestnut, but that last one sure does look like a palomino! It might be worth the money to get her tested. She’s a cutie and if she really is a palomino tobiano, I’m jealous.

[TrueColours]

Even in the first 2 pictures, when you see enough dark “chestnut” looking palomino’s born, she looked more palomino than she did chestnut. The older picture just confirmed that fact

Ive had so many mare owners over the years email me to say their “chestnut” foal arrived last night by my stallion and am I 100% certain that I sent the correct semen as it is CHESTNUT and not palomino at all and they thought there was a 100% guarantee that a dilute foal would be born

Yes - some are born SO dark and SO chestnut looking it leaves a lot of people scratching their heads in the beginning for sure …

[poltroon]

That’s a pretty remarkable color change she’s showing from the 2 week age. I think if you really want to know you’ll have to test her. She’s cute whatever the genetics turn out to be.

[Janeway]

[QUOTE=poltroon;7853424]
That’s a pretty remarkable color change she’s showing from the 2 week age. I think if you really want to know you’ll have to test her. She’s cute whatever the genetics turn out to be.[/QUOTE]

It’s more than 2 weeks The first 2 photos are from when the foal was two weeks old, vs. yesterday’s pictures where she is now 3 months old. At least that is my understanding. She is very cute.

[Hampton_Bay]

Yes, first pics at 2 weeks of age, last pic taken yesterday at 3 months on Saturday. Her markings are really quite pretty. She was a spiral on one side of her neck that lines up with a whirl. I just don’t know what I’m going to do with all of these horses!! I have her dam who will be 24 and is for now still hanging on, that mare,s 6yo filly (non-oops), an Arab gelding, these 2 fillies, a pony for DSS, a standee stud colt and standie mare (both belong to DH). With the kids and our jobs, we ride next to never. If people here cared for their horses at all, I might sell or give away a few, but most people here don’t even feed them. So I guess we now have a lot of expensive pets.