Parelli have split

[sascha]

@SuzieQNutter

He teaches face up which is different to Monty Robert’s Join Up. Join Up uses tiring out the horse so I do not class that as training. Face up requires skill of timing and teaches the horse to come to you and follow you.

Then they are taught to stand still so as they don’t turn to face you while you are grooming and tacking. They will do this without a halter in the end for grooming, bathing, tacking and untacking.

He uses a pull and release on the halter and praise. I also use the words uh uh instead of the pull.

Leading. They walk before you walk with a click, they halt before you halt when you say halt, they go back when you put a thumb on their chest and say back, later a small tug on the tail and back for unloading out of a float, and in sight of them finger waves side to side and the word back. Always 2 signals for back. You don’t want another horse trying to back out of a float when they hear the word back.

With this leading they are not following your feet.

So you call the horse they come to you, you click they walk, you walk to a gate and say halt, they halt, you walk to the gate and open it, you click, they walk through the gate. You say halt they halt. You close the gate and step to their shoulder and click they start leading with or without a halter.

You walk to the tack shed. You say halt, they halt, you go into the tack shed. They are standing in the same spot when you come out.

He teaches them to submit to the lead rope. In the end if you put the lead rope around the hoof and pull they should lift their leg and put their muzzle to their knee and stand there. So supposedly no breaking of leadropes if stood on. Yield the halter to fences and ober objects so if they ever get caught while tied and do something silly they won’t pull back.

The float you click the horse walks on you say halt they halt you close behind then tie. At the other end you untie, go behind and open. A small tug on the tail and say back, they back out.

To teach to load he only uses a halter and lead rope. They only get praise and understanding near the float. If they back away they get the pull and release away from the float. Near the float ask what horrible thing happened to them over there isn’t it nice here and praise. There is no hurry. He asks for a hoof on reward, back off reward, 2 hooves on reward. 2 hooves off reward. 4 hooves on praise. 4 hooves off praise. 2 hooves in. Praise. Back off praise. 4 hooves in. Praise back off praise. In the end you can put the horse on stop any where back 2 strides forward 4 steps, anything you want.

Spooky Object training is different from desensitisation. Desentisation done by Natural Horsemanship in my view is cruel. They add pressure and do not drop it. In the end the horse turns off, a lion could walk in the yard and the horse would not react.

This is why Suzie has a tb and flicks out the saddle cloth every morning and Dobbins does nothing. Suzie treats him with kindness. He switches back on. The next time she flicks the saddlecloth he pulls back breaks the lead and takes off. Suzie is surprised as he has never done that before. It is because he never saw it when he was switched off.

Spooky Object Training teaches them what to do if they get a fright. They are to stand still. He never uses plastic bags on the lunge whip to start. Some horses have been bagged and that is too frightening. He will start with some stones in a soft drink can and rattle it not even near them.

When they take off the can is dropped, so you release the pressure. Over where they went they get the pull and release, they are brought back and praised for standing. It takes a week or so but in the end you can pick those stones up quickly from the ground and to their face or touching their shoulder and they stand still. After that you can put different things on the whip. Throw a beach ball over under, etc, whatever you can think of. He rides the horses with an umbrella over his head.

Lunging you click they walk forward, you walk back 2 steps and you are in the position to lunge. Ask for walk, be happy when they walk do not say walk again. The same that you do not say halt again when they are halted. Same for trot and canter.

If they break then you crack the whip and flick behind and get animated until they go back in the gait they should be in. In the end they will stay in the gait without the lunger cracking the whip every stride.

After that you can ask for different trots and canters.

This is pretty much my exact method of teaching loading and self-loading. I want that horse comfortable in every inch of that trailer so I can stop, forward, or back wherever they happen to be. Once this is done properly, it sticks like glue.

[SuzieQNutter]

@downen

I found a video! I looks like his philosophies are very similar to Warwick Schiller’s regarding getting the horse’s trust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8Gqdd10qA

I forgot to say that he says changing rein is also a reward on the lunge. Ialso forgot to say that he says if the horse does 1 out of 10 you reward.

In that video you can see there is no chasing the horse around and I would say that is not the horse’s first session.

The first session is usually done in a much smaller place like a yard or a round yard. I have modified it a bit in that I do not stand in the middle that way if the horse takes off it goes around the yard and then looks at you even if it wasn’t intending to and you can reward.

The first time I saw it, he had a 3yo chestnut Arab filly who had been handled 3 times before somehow getting her in the yard. The first 2 times she threw herself on the ground. The third time she took off and went through 3 fences.

Unlike that video she did not want a bar to do with him and had her head turned as far away from as she could. She would not look at him.

She was in a yard with wooden posts and rails. On our left one of the rails was missing. On the opposite side was a gate. On our right was a water trough. We were all sitting in a grandstand of chairs on this side

She was wild. She refused to have anything to do with him, she would not even look at him. She tried to go under the gate. She tried to go through where the rail was missing. How she didn’t break her leg on that water trough I don’t know and we all moved up 3 rows in the grand stand as she was eyeing up our rail to jump it and land in our laps.

This is where he adapted and changed, he also upped the ante as the worse the horse is the quicker it works and there is a bigger change around.

So he changed what he was doing in that video. He opened the gate and let her into an aisle. He stood in the middle of the aisle. At the end of the aisle he swung the rope, she turned to face him, he stopped swinging and stood still. She then approached and ran past him to the other end of the aisle. He stood still until she had gone past and then turned and hit her as hard as he could with the lead rope on the rump. I would say that happened 4 times.

The 5th time she approached him and KISSED HIM ON THE FACE. He praised. Praise is talking and stroking, not patting.

He opened the gate. She had both ears forward. Her eyes were on him. She could not get any closer to him. He walked over to the grandstand. She was as close to him as she could get. He started touching her all over and picked up all 4 hooves. He then put her halter on.

There was as big a change with the little quarter horse given to me. Bring feed and you could get to his head. No feed and you met his rump. One session and ears forward, approaching you and following you anywhere.

As I said timing is used not chasing a horse away. The smartest horse I ever rode was 16.3hh tb. I swung the rope he cantered 2 strides and went up. But at the top of the rear he looked at me. I stopped the swing and stepped back. He turned in the rear and came back facing me. He was praised. He got it instantly. Which he did with all his training. He went off on the incorrect canter lead once in each direction and never did again. I miss him.

[merrygoround]

As a instructor, all I can say about Linda’s dressage is…

It isn’t!

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Off divorce-topic here…
How much do 5yo cutting horses typically sell for? Gelding, good temperament, nice cow-action?

https://www.parelli.com/dream-horse-elvis/

[Jackie_Cochran]

I would not buy that horse without a thorough going over by the vet, and I mean thorough.

He looked like he was trotting lame, if I was lunging a horse who moved like this I would stop and call the vet.

[Lunabear1988]

I agree with Jackie. Although I’m dressage rider so maybe my sense of movement is too far off.

“He is gentle enough to be written by anyone but is also a super talent like his mother” Normally I would never pick on a typo but for an ad of this price… :lol:

[MsM]

I agree that he looks funky behind in the trot. For a horse that is supposed to be an accomplished cutter you would think they would post more than 16 seconds of him working a cow…

[Jealoushe]

$110k!!!

[trubandloki]

Oh sure. I went and looked at the horse in that link and now the advertisements I am getting on Facebook are for Parelli stuff. <eye roll>

[Old_Mac_Donald]

@Jackie Cochran

I would not buy that horse without a thorough going over by the vet, and I mean thorough.

He looked like he was trotting lame, if I was lunging a horse who moved like this I would stop and call the vet.

For $110k I’d want that horse to drive himself to the vet and bring back a set of clean films!

[Jenerationx]

Yeah… that horse looks horribly off behind, and in one of the videos can’t manage a 3 beat canter. He also almost falls down when asked to stop in the first video. I would be vetting that horse immediately if I saw it move like that.

[jvanrens]

@MsM

I agree that he looks funky behind in the trot. For a horse that is supposed to be an accomplished cutter you would think they would post more than 16 seconds of him working a cow…

True that. What age are Derby horses again? I think 4 or 5, so this nice horse hasn’t been a good one for a while. He does look like one I’d love to have around, but for a lot less zeroes than they’re asking.

[Spudsmyguy]

@Eclipsed

I find that a lot of Parelli stuff is very contradictory. On one hand, you have them saying “Don’t jerk on the halter with an agressive horse, it won’t help” and then on the other hand you have videos of Linda lunging a horse on a 5m circle jerking on its head and smacking its hind end with the lunge line when the horse is clearly distressed and scared of her. I just find it strange.
Don’t get me started on CA, he shouldn’t be around any living being, humans, plants or animals. It really ticks me off he’s so adamant about ‘being the boss’ and crap like that when he’s just blatantly physically abusing horses.

Late to the party here, but isn’t there someone on COTH that used to live behind the Parelli’s and saw PP take a horse out back, tie it to a post and beat the snot out of it? Maybe the horse had the nerve to trip while he was riding.

[HPFarmette]

Oh, I had forgotten about “horsenality”…

[Ghazzu]

@HPFarmette

Oh, I had forgotten about “horsenality”…

I had, too.
There isn’t a single angle these charlatans have overlooked to fleece the gullible.

[Freebird]

One of the worst horses I’ve ever dealt with was Parelli trained. When I wave my hand at a horse, I want it out of my space, but she would just stand there. It was like she had been overly desensitized. And, it wasn’t that she was even less spooky - she was just afraid to react. If she saw a bag or whatever, her feet wouldn’t move, but her eyes would be as big as saucers, and you could tell she was still terrified. Poor thing was only 5 too.

[BatCoach]

can we talk about this ridiculous rating system? Crappy marketing at its finest. Its like a ranking system a middle school girl would make to rate her crushes.

Looks – 9
Pedigree – 9.5
Gaits – 10
Temperament – 7.5
Age – 10
Outside Riding – 9
Training – 9
Health/Hooves – 8.5
Talent – 9.5
Potential – 10

How can you possibly give age a ranking?!? A horse’s age is a fact, its not really something that you have an opinion on.

[Ghazzu]

@BatCoach

can we talk about this ridiculous rating system? Crappy marketing at its finest. Its like a ranking system a middle school girl would make to rate her crushes.

.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I love how health/hooves are combined into one category, but looks and potential are each their own, so health only counts for 1/2 as much as looks…

[Jealoushe]

@BatCoach

can we talk about this ridiculous rating system? Crappy marketing at its finest. Its like a ranking system a middle school girl would make to rate her crushes.

Looks – 9
Pedigree – 9.5
Gaits – 10
Temperament – 7.5
Age – 10
Outside Riding – 9
Training – 9
Health/Hooves – 8.5
Talent – 9.5
Potential – 10

How can you possibly give age a ranking?!? A horse’s age is a fact, its not really something that you have an opinion on.

:lol::lol:

Is age the age of the horse or his age is rated 10/10? Same with temperament?

And then they calculate that to make the horse worth $110k LOL

[Old_Mac_Donald]

Got a 10 for gaits, so all you meanies saying Mr Hunjie K is lame are like… so wrong.