They suck to lunge.
That is all.
Now, now, stop advertising for him. :no:
Seriously, you are preaching to the choir.
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ROFLMAO…:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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I have lunged a few Parelli horses that did just fine and a few that had been overdrilled with the hide the butt thing so were a pain to lunge. I have certainly lunged plenty of non-Parelli horses that were fine to lunge and plenty that were a pain to lunge.
One of my current horses had to be taught to lunge since somebody must have used lunging to tire him out. Lunging was him running around me as fast as he could until he would panic and almost fall down or he would rear, spin and face me all wild eyed. Trust me no signs that he had ever been exposed to Parelli for this horse, just bad lunging “training”. Bad versions of training shows up in all disciplines.
One of my previous horses I did some Parelli with and my trainer did some Parelli with a few of her horses. All of those horses lunged just fine. However I admit that I think Parelli has gone off the deep end with Horsenality and some of his methods since I was using the Parelli methods 20 years ago. Still way better than Clinton IMO.
I think that some people overdo the 7 Games for the sake of the 7 Games and don’t really understand how to apply them to get to the riding part. Years ago I seem to remember that PP mentioned that at some point people need to do the 7 Games, get on and actually ride. The 7 Games are not the end point, they are the beginning. Frequently the people most attracted to Parelli are people that are afraid to ride their horses but still want to play with them. I think that further encourages them to overdrill and make the horse too sensitive to every little thing the handler does.
One girl at a prior barn does a lot of Parelli. Her horse has lovely ground manners, will tie all day long and if he accidentally steps on his lead it is no big deal. When trail riding there is nothing that horse won’t walk across or through when asked. He lunges just fine. She has fun with him. If she needed to rehome him tomorrow he would be easy to find a good home for since he is just so pleasant, polite and useful.
There are parts of the Parelli methods that I still use when handling the horses. Just like I pick and choose good parts of any methods and throw out what doesn’t work for me.
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You may like Warwick Schiller. Reminds me of Parelli before some of the crazier things and before Linda.
I’ve “un-trained” the hide the butt thing from a Parelli horse. I’ve also had non-parelli’ed horses who like to hide the butt because they want to see you after they’ve done a good longing job. Most frequently young horses who are so anxious to please that they like to look at you. I just calmly return them to the side facing view and praise them for the halt, then do so with the whip as an extension of my arm after I’ve done it a good few times in hand.
I don’t know, as I get older my view of a lot of these things has shifted. If someone doesn’t want to ride, but just wants to do ground work with their horse, why are we so derisive about it. The horse doesn’t care whether he’s ridden or not. So long as the horse is well cared for, and the training is going well, then I think we should count that as a win. A horse with very good groundwork can adapt to ridden work even later in life (you can also break horses that have only ever driven, to ride, so it’s not any different). And you can untrain a “butt hide” just like you can retrain a horse that comes with any “training”. Horses are amazing adaptable creatures. I don’t think there’s one “true way” to ride or train a horse.
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I agree. When I was younger I would look down my nose a bit at people who had horses but never, or rarely, rode. Thinking back I was probably just baffled and jealous seeing as I didn’t grow up with a horse and would’ve given anything to be able to ride every day.
Now that I’m nearly 10 years into horse ownership (OMG!), riding is still my priority but there have been stretches where life took over and I was happy to just spend quality time with my little herd on the ground. So long as they are healthy and happy, who cares?
As for Parelli, I’ve certainly seem some cases where people turn to natural horsemanship (under some guise or another) because they are afraid, but they never seem to progress and just end up stuck on the ground for eternity. Unfortunately these people’s horses don’t seem that well trained to me! I guess their owners lack confidence on the ground too, so their training gets all messed up and their horses end up learning to do as they please…
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Apologies for asking… what on Earth is “Horsenality” ??
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Horse’s personality.
Left or Right brain
Introvert - extrovert…
That kind of shit.
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We will never have another parelli worshipper in our barn!
It is a parelli free zone
JMO. YMMV. LOL
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I don’t look down on people who are afraid to ride their horses or just want to mess around on the ground. The issue is how many of those horses are utterly unsuited for the secondary market they too often find their way to, and often at an age where no one wants to deal with training them.
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Woe be the horse who is too untalented, too old, too unsound and spoiled to suit a professional… after an ammie (or whoever) has wrecked him. I can’t tell you how many of those horses come across my transom. If someone will feed them and figure out a way to just not get anyone hurt, that’s about as good as it gets for them… without a huge infusion of cash and ambition, which were lacking in the first place.
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You nailed it.
That said, I think you can do the same with any training system, including (some) dressage folks’ emphasis on consistent contact. When you make that feel in your hands the be-all-and-end-all of what you do, I think you produce a whole bunch of problems, both mental and physical.
The tough part about all this is that we all need access to consistent help that we can afford. Without someone to keep us moving on in our training, I think it’s easy to drill horses on the basics ad nauseum because that’s all we’ve been taught to do. This is an economic problem as much as anything else, IMO.
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I would much rather buy an untouched, untrained horse than a poorly trained Parelli horse by someone who trained them incorrectly! It is much easier to train them correctly from the get go than to undo someone’s mistakes IMO. But that can be said for just about any training method
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That goes for any poorly trained horse not just Parelli. There is a method to the madness but the huge failure is not understanding the why behind what it is you are doing and doing things just because.
That being said OP would hate lunging my horse and I do not use the seven games with her. There is a reason she needs to have eyes and ears on me when she stops.
Untouched will be easier? I dunno. There is a lot of business and hype about adopting mustangs here in the Pacific Northwest. When someone tells you that you will need special fencing that is solid and 6+ feet high, it causes me to remember that these are very strong animals. I’d rather have some training installed than none at all. It might be a PITA to fix someone else’s mistakes, but the odds are that it is safer than buying untrained adult-sized horse.
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I think for most of us, it’s less that they don’t ride than that they disparage people who DO ride and rush to tell us how incorrectly we do everything. They become “evangelical,” if you will, for the, ugh, “Parelli” method and the rest of us are heathens for not believing in/practicing it. They feel they know more than we do, much has been revealed to them about how wrong the rest of us are, dressage is cruel unless practiced a la Mrs. Parelli, etc.
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I cant speak for anyone else but my problem with Parelli has NOTHING whatsover to do with people who do groundwork and dont ride.
That is a straw man argument.
So please do not equate those things.
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Catwalk…
http://eventingnation.com/the-pat-pa…-a-week-later/
Norman the one eyed horse…
The full video with the disturbing video and including Linda parellis disgusting audio- wiggle wiggle clunk- har har- has seemingly been successfully removed from the net by the parellis- even though it was originally included in their own training dvd-so they used to think it was AOK.
.etc.
These people IMO suck royally at groundwork but
still are laughing all the way to the bank.
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No apologies for asking, “What on earth is hide-the-butt”?
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The horse is taught to always turn and face his handler when asked to halt.
