I posted photos and links ONLY to provide images of Parzival’s condition while competing, so others here could see what he looked like in the ring and at the jog.
I did NOT post them to stir up drama about training methods— good, poor or indifferent. Simply as (visual) information from other sources.
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I posted photos and links ONLY to provide images of Parzival’s condition while competing, so others here could see what he looked like in the ring and at the jog.
I did NOT post them to stir up drama about training methods— good, poor or indifferent. Simply as (visual) information from other sources.[/QUOTE]
Yes those are the photos from the Facebook article.
Another photo showed that the swelling was on the right side of Parzival’s cheek/jaw. All the foam and the tongue have been on the left.
Edited to add I deleted a duplicate post of this one.
Hopefully it wasn’t a bite from a Brown Recluse Spider. One of my horses was bitten by a brown recluse in Florida last summer and it took nearly a year to get completely over it. Some spider bites can be very bad and serious!!
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I posted photos and links ONLY to provide images of Parzival’s condition while competing, so others here could see what he looked like in the ring and at the jog.
I did NOT post them to stir up drama about training methods— good, poor or indifferent. Simply as (visual) information from other sources.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think those are the photos that were linked to in the OP.
This hairline fracture mistake is now all over the net. Might be good if people starting these threads everywhere based on incorrect information would correct them in the subject line. NBC made an error. Now there are threads like this and conspiracy blogs and Fb posts wanting to string up AC for supposedly covering this up! Good Grief.
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The only major weirdness about Parzival is the term “toxic” before saying he had a fever. Just weird and super dramatic to me. Maybe it lost something in translation?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they used the words “toxic fever” because the fever was caused by a toxin (produced by the spider) and not a virus or bacterial infection.
There are two situations going on here.
First is the spider bite, its symptoms and treatment, which were detailed by AC.
The second situation, which has not been explained, is the tongue hanging out with excessive foaming during and after the test.
Was the tongue over the bits ? Between the bits ?
Is it related to the spider bite, or a separate issue ?
Usually riders have some explanation for something so obvious.
I’m not accusing anyone of hiding anything…just wondering why no explanation for the mouth issues.
WHY IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS ?
It really is shameful that the main story coming out of the dressage portion of these Olympic Games has turned into a witch hunt once again. We are already in danger of being ousted and seen as a frou-frou sport of the 1%. No need to rile up the animal right’s activists against us for something that is due to mis-reporting.
If the one side of his face was still sore, I would think it is not unreasonable that the horse would put its tongue to the opposite side and the increased foam on that side is due to the increased activity of the tongue there. His lymph nodes could have been affected as well. Another reason could be that is his vice when he is stressed. It happened to Dublet as well, and I can bet the training there has nothing to do with rk nor broken jaws.
Please, if you see your friends sharing this horrible conspiracy theory, nip it in the bud.
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WHY IS IT ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS ?[/QUOTE]
Why are you yelling?
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It really is shameful that the main story coming out of the dressage portion of these Olympic Games has turned into a witch hunt once again. .[/QUOTE]
Yes because the quality of dressage at the Olympics has never been better. Glass half full.
I have been watching long enough- and have seen all the cringeworthy rides years ago.
What we have now is amazing quality. Across the board.
It is truly a joy to watch.
Some people will never be happy.
AC retired parsival from competition- as was the right thing and she had to do it.
It does not reflect on the great quality overall of the other rides.
International dressage has never been better- for the horse or for the sport.
And then you have this which takes the story to a whole different extreme -
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/gold-medal-athlete-quits-olympic-games-save-her-horse
Honestly know nothing about this web site, but the link came across my FB feed with FB telling me the story had been liked by a couple of my (normally sensible) friends.
Nothing that I have read about the Parzival situation even seemed to remotely suggest that the horse was in danger of dying because the rider attempted to ride him in the test, but the first sentence of the article and the headline sure make it sound that way - and the majority of people won’t read any more than that.
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Why are you yelling?[/QUOTE]
Probably because it’s extremely aggravating to read idiotic conspiracy theories and continued questioning of someone who made the right decision to put her horse first, even after getting a perfectly reasonable expansion of what happened.
Whatever you want to say about parsival or AC- he did not have a hairline fracture- that was a different horse. Time to change these subject lines and correct the false rumours.
The rumors are totally out of control on this. I’ve corrected it in a dozen places already. And the number of people who say “i don’t know if this is true” and then post it anyway is amazing. Good grief.
A good step would be for NBC to correct it on their Olympics page as that was the link one FB post pointed to to confirm that the rumor was true.
I don’t see that it makes a significant difference for the horse. He was clearly not fit to compete after being treated with rather intense iv fluid therapy after the alleged biting incidence. How anybody in their right mind would even think of competing any horse at any given competition the day following a 40° fever and 9h of iv fluids is beyond my understanding. This kind of action if giving the sport a bad name and should be investigated to make sure it can’t happen again. It is almost as fatal as the Totilas outing at Aachen where he was hopping around lame throughout his test and was not pulled. Insufferable. As simple as that.
So… ‘Any publicity is good publicity’ isn’t turning out to be true? Who could have foreseen that.
My main interest in the story is that like many many others here, I have a horse that has tongue issues.
It is interesting to see how others deal with similar issues.
But, I do wish this had not happened at this time to this pair.
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Yes because the quality of dressage at the Olympics has never been better. Glass half full.
I have been watching long enough- and have seen all the cringeworthy rides years ago.
What we have now is amazing quality. Across the board.
It is truly a joy to watch.
Some people will never be happy.
AC retired parsival from competition- as was the right thing and she had to do it.
It does not reflect on the great quality overall of the other rides.
International dressage has never been better- for the horse or for the sport.[/QUOTE]
This ^ thank you Crock!
I did not want to jump in on this witch-hunt, and don’t believe the fracture story…
However, when I read it was a spider bite I felt very sorry for the horse. Perhaps AC did not realize, but serious, poisionous bites are so incredibly painful. I was bitten by a Brown Recluse and within 24 hrs could not even walk. I have experienced lots of painful things in my life and this, easily, was a 10/10 - I do not cry from pain, and this had me shaking in tears when I transferred from my friend’s car into a wheelchair. My friends had never seen me cry before and thought for sure I was dying. I am not sure what types of spiders are down there but to ask a horse to compete after a serious/poisonous spider bite, to me, was the wrong call. It explains his tongue out and obvious discomfort, especially during the collection work. I could not imagine trying to work 12hrs after my bite. It took me a week to recover to where I could do something physical and almost six months before the hole in my leg did not hurt on a daily basis.
Now that I know what I know about how incredibly painful throughout the body and not just localized to the area a poisonous bite is, I would never work a horse after one; not for at least a week. But that is my personal experience and I doubt AC has had a similar thing happen. Maybe people who read this thread will, in the future, give their horses more than a day off for a poisonous bite.
If it was something else, and we don’t know the whole story, I will stand corrected.
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