Pedigree notations and dohickies

[bumknees]

Hi again Another question concerning my new guys pedigree. I was looiking at it this morning and noticed some notations on some of hte horses I think 2 generations+ back.
for example he has fappino grandfather on sires side.
fappino has (usa) understand that country bred/born b ( bay I assume) 1977 yr of birth then this [IC].
Another horse is Mr Porspector who has [BC] Raise a Native who just has a B inbetween the brackets.
Alydar who has a C between brackets. Then a mare I assume due ot location on the chart Special has the (usa) followed by an * after the last parathensies(sp) there are actaully more than a few who has an * after country of birth/breeding.

Could someone pleas transulate the notations for me. I havent figured out the JC website yet to see if there is a transulation to these.
TIA

[danceronice]

What website are you using? It sounds like PQ, which isn’t a Jockey Club site and the marks aren’t related to actual pedigree notations. On pedigreequery the asterisk usually means there’s a picture with that horse’s account. The “i” means someone filled out the information section. On a real pedigree an asterisk usually means imported.

[furlong47]

I assume you’re using Pedigree Query. All this information can be found in their FAQ and Reading Pedigree sections under Help. These particular notations are specific to the PQ website.

When using Pedigree Query keep in mind that it is a wiki type website, anyone can edit it, and the information there may not be entirely accurate. It is not associated with the Jockey Club.

Q: What do the green stars in the pedigree displays mean.
A: The green stars are used to denote Reine’s-De-Course mares. “Reine-De-Course” is French for “Queen of the Turf”. Ellen Parker has done an incredible amount of research on infuential mares in thoroughbred pedigrees and every so often, she does a write up on a new mare and designates a new Reine-De-Course. For more information, see http://www.reines-de-course.com.

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Q: What do the red stars mean?
A: The Red Stars (*) are used in the pedigrees to show that there’s a photo for a specific horse on record. To view the photo of that horse, pull up his or her pedigree and scroll down untill you get to the Additional Information section of the pedigree.

Chefs and Dosage Certain sires in a pedigree may show up with letters in brackets after their year of birth. Fappiano is an example below “[IC]”. These letters signify the Fappiano is a chef-de-race horse and they are used to calculate the dosage numbers above the pedigree “DP = 14-12-12-0-0 (38) DI = 5.33 CD = 1.05”. Chef-de-race horses on this site are designated by Steve Roman and more information about dosage and how to use it as a breeding tool can be found at http://www.chef-de-race.com/.

[bumknees]

Ok thanks. I guess for the average owner ( non race owner) I shouldnt worry about the notations then.
yeah it was Pedigree query.

thanks again

[danceronice]

Race owners would use Equineline or Brisnet. Pedigreequery is, as mentioned, a wiki-anyone can upload information.

[vineyridge]

HOWEVER–and this is important–there are certain horses found in pedigrees that the JC does not have on file for the internet database. Old horses whose lines have died out in breeding or racing. Those pedigrees are very often, and correctly, found on Pedigree Query. The site is very good these days about locking pedigrees. I consider them an invaluable resource, especially since the JC ignores Female Family Numbers. Their database makes the connections for most pedigrees, and they do spend huge amounts of time and effort putting in horses with their pedigrees from each day’s racing entries. Once a horse is in and has descendants, you have to go through the PQ people to change an entry. There are errors, but when brought to their attention are almost immediately researched and corrected, if necessary. It is far, far more reliable than Allbreed pedigree. And, as I said, it’s one of the only online sources for really, really historic pedigree research.

[Calamber]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6053607]
HOWEVER–and this is important–there are certain horses found in pedigrees that the JC does not have on file for the internet database. Old horses whose lines have died out in breeding or racing. Those pedigrees are very often, and correctly, found on Pedigree Query. The site is very good these days about locking pedigrees. I consider them an invaluable resource, especially since the JC ignores Female Family Numbers. Their database makes the connections for most pedigrees, and they do spend huge amounts of time and effort putting in horses with their pedigrees from each day’s racing entries. Once a horse is in and has descendants, you have to go through the PQ people to change an entry. There are errors, but when brought to their attention are almost immediately researched and corrected, if necessary. It is far, far more reliable than Allbreed pedigree. And, as I said, it’s one of the only online sources for really, really historic pedigree research.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this Viney. The Jockey Club has a long way to go to really help to reevaluate, preserve and perhaps restore some of the old sojunder lines. They certainly should but will not unless someone harrasses the hell out of them just like happened so that they would give out information on horses that were at the end of the line and needing id help to save them.

They could even produce reports that would influence, or at least educate those who are breeding lines who are most prone to break down at early ages. Particularly will be useful once the end of the routine use of Lasix has finally been reached.

There were all kinds of folks defending their “business” practices to charge up the wazoo for everything. Thank goodness they responded to pressure.