Pelham Bit for Trail Riding

My horse is great in the ring with a snaffle, very responsive to light aids.

Occasionally on trails however, she has a mind of her own. She has no problems pulling through the bit. If she wants to turn around and go home, she turns right around and starts going home.

I was thinking of trying a pelham bit, specifically for trails? I would feel more comfortable with that stronger rein there when I need it.

I have lots of experience with curb bits, but no experience using the double reins. (I believe when I was younger I rode a lesson horse several times in a pelham w/ converter.)

Thoughts? Is this a good reason to use a pelham? It works with a standard bridle, correct?

I use a Pelham all the time on trails. You just get used to the two reins and learn to relax and ride on the buckle, but be able to pick them up quickly.

I frequently ride in a pelham. I do find I am a little clumsy and fumble with double reins. So sometimes I just drape the curb rein on the pommel and ride on the snaffle, but I can reach down and pick up the curb any time Mr Silly head needs me to talk louder and get his attention.

Less bit, more training.

I ride my big guy in a Kimberwicke. Most of the time, I don’t need to pick up the reins on our trails rides, as he is almost always happy and relaxed. A few times, such as the first time we saw a train, I have been glad to have the Kimberwicke. It is nice to have extra stopping power available to you, in case you ever need it.

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8526374]
Less bit, more training.[/QUOTE]

My horse is 19, we have done lots of lessons and clinics and I have been told he is one of the most reactive horses they (professionals) have dealt with. I’m pretty lucky to be able to ride him in a smooth low port pelham on the snaffle rein 75% of the time. Some horses are predictably unpredictable. I see nothing wrong with humanely keeping yourself safe. In a perfect world we would all be riding bareback with nothing but a neck rope, but life is rarely perfect.

A Pelham is an excellent choice as you can ride the snaffle most of the time but have that curb bit if you need it. I prefer it to a Kimberwicke which doesn’t have that option. I use the first two fingers on the snaffle rein and the ring and pinkie on the curb.

You can always put a converter on your pelham
and ride with one rein instead of two.

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A converter takes away the flexibility of a Pelham, you might as well ride in a Kimberwicke. It just takes practice to use the two reins.

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8526374]
Less bit, more training.[/QUOTE]

I ride my TB in a very mild Mullen mouth Pelham on trails and it is helping her training. Most of the time she goes on a loose rein, but sometimes she gets excited and starts jigging. With the Pelham I just play with the curb rein so she drops her head, relaxes her back and settles back down. Much easier than a longer discussion with a “milder” bit and it reinforces the relaxation on the trail.

And don’t forget… which is milder? Constant pulling on a metal snaffle, or using some leverage, often with a milder mouthpiece, and then going on a light rein.

Some horses just do better with some leverage…

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8526374]
Less bit, more training.[/QUOTE]

With a Pelham you can ride on the snaffle rein until you need something more. It’s a very mild bit!

Not all horses like the action of a snaffle in their mouth. My TB is MUCH happier in a ported bit or a mullen mouth. It has nothing to do with training.

One of the “untraining” things you can do is go down the trail on a loose rein. If you have any issues whatsoever while trail riding, you need to train while on the trail, not walk along on a loose rein, waiting for something to happen so you can use that curb rein.

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8528294]
One of the “untraining” things you can do is go down the trail on a loose rein. If you have any issues whatsoever while trail riding, you need to train while on the trail, not walk along on a loose rein, waiting for something to happen so you can use that curb rein.[/QUOTE]

I guess it depends on what you want when trail riding. I want a nice relaxing ride for both of us, I want a horse that goes where I want at the speed I want and will also lead, follow, or go in the middle of a group. I also don’t want to have a longer discussion than necessary if she gets excited, in a hurry, or a little too opinionated.

What I’m not interested in is riding on contact all the time or having to nag to get her to settle or slow down. The Pelham allows for this type of ride.

I also have no idea what you mean by “untraining”. I train for what I want in a given situation, and on a long trail ride I don’t want it to be a serious schooling session for the whole ride

Why is your horse getting excited, in a hurry or a little too opinionated? Training would involve addressing the why, and formulating a way to modify the horse’s reaction to the why. Resorting to a stronger bit does nothing to alter the horse’s behavior or thought process. The horse can always resort to stronger behavior if you are not addressing the “why.”

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8528508]
Why is your horse getting excited, in a hurry or a little too opinionated? Training would involve addressing the why, and formulating a way to modify the horse’s reaction to the why. Resorting to a stronger bit does nothing to alter the horse’s behavior or thought process. The horse can always resort to stronger behavior if you are not addressing the “why.”[/QUOTE]

Because she is a TB made that is still learning. As an example, coming home she gets in a hurry, gets excited and wants to jig. With the Pelham I can just use the curb for a few seconds to get her to drop her head and go back to a flat footed walk. With a plain snaffle it can be a long discussion. BTDT with a previous TB for years.

I have ridden trails on a variety of horses and ponies for 40+ years, as well as schooled all levels of dressage, evented etc. A snaffle isn’t always the best choice. I use what works to give my horse, myself, and our riding companions the best ride possible.

Why is your horse getting excited, in a hurry or a little too opinionated? Training would involve addressing the why, and formulating a way to modify the horse’s reaction to the why. Resorting to a stronger bit does nothing to alter the horse’s behavior or thought process. The horse can always resort to stronger behavior if you are not addressing the “why.”

There is a huge benefit, especially with TBs, to let them go on the buckle when you want them to relax. It’s one of the things we tell people to do when foxhunting – if your horse is always on the bit (especially an OTTB), they are always “on”. Letting go is a really important part of training your horse that it’s okay to relax and settle.

And yes, you are training your horse every ride. The problem is, it is difficult to train relaxation. That comes from hours in the saddle and lots of practice. I’ve restarted several OTTBs and getting them to settle and relax takes time. And yes, as Christa says, you don’t want to be on their mouth all the time!

I don’t always ride with a pelham. I ride with whatever bit works best for THAT horse but I don’t consider a “snaffle ride” to be the ultimate indicator of training. I had one OTTB (who raced 70 times) who had so much baggage that I restarted him in a bitless bridle. My own OTTB hunts first flight in a Kimberwicke. He is delightful in that bit – light, responsive and relaxed. When not hunting, I can ride him in a snaffle and mostly control him using a neck rein. So it’s not the training that’s the issue. Its the Adrenalin.

If your horse is good in the ring (which sounds like the case), you need to find a solution that allows you to continue that training on the trails. Sometimes that means another bit. Maybe not forever, but for the near term. And, as said before, a Pelham is an excellent choice because it does allow you to ride off the snaffle rein.

[QUOTE=Christa P;8528480]
I guess it depends on what you want when trail riding. I want a nice relaxing ride for both of us, I want a horse that goes where I want at the speed I want and will also lead, follow, or go in the middle of a group. I also don’t want to have a longer discussion than necessary if she gets excited, in a hurry, or a little too opinionated.

What I’m not interested in is riding on contact all the time or having to nag to get her to settle or slow down. The Pelham allows for this type of ride.

I also have no idea what you mean by “untraining”. I train for what I want in a given situation, and on a long trail ride I don’t want it to be a serious schooling session for the whole ride[/QUOTE]

I never hang onto a horse’s mouth to the point that I need to “let go.” In the beginning, they are taught to give to the bit (any bit, and actually a rope halter too). Well to each his own. I would not take a horse out on the trail that had the potential to get strong enough that I would need to forcibly make it stop. We’d fix that at home and then venture out.

I have decades of experience with race horses.

My gelding is fine to ride in the ring with a snaffle, but he can get strong out on the trails. A Pelham is a good option, because I can ride him on the snaffle but have the leverage if needed. It’s quite presumptuous to say that a person should do all their training in the ring before taking a horse out on the trails - horses often get stronger out in the open, and the rider has to stay as safe as possible. It’s nice to live in a perfect world, but that’s not the one most people inhabit.

Why do you carry a whip or wear spurs? To reinforce leg aids. Is that “untraining” a horse?
Same thing with a different bit, it reinforces your hand aids.

And how do you “train” in a ring for a covey of quail rocketing up or an ATV zipping by or the other unexpected stuff out hacking?