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not even on youtube?[/QUOTE]
No, it’s not a discipline that we really have here, and it’s not something that has ever interested me.
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Sounds like the issue isn’t the bit so much as the trainer/rider. Also sounds like he is oversharing on FB, to say the least. One of the ways professionals (in any field) keep a good profile is by being discrete about when they mess up.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
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do not look to Western Pleasure to define western riding. Do you think it would be fair to look at Saddleseat and call it ‘english riding’ definitively? As in representative of all? That would be grossly overstating what it is, no?
Richard Winters on a 3 YO in a snaffle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyHWiXFKXHU[/QUOTE]
Actually yes, the conversation was discussing the “tranter” in western pleasure
Trot+ canter
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did you watch the video, or do you just wish to discuss this with me? The video provides a clear illustration.[/QUOTE]
I told you I did watch the video and saw it pull tight in the jaw. Never mind, it’s not important.
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Actually yes, the conversation was discussing the “tranter” in western pleasure
Trot+ canter[/QUOTE]
I was specifically responding to this exchange:
POSTER: I have never seen Western riding, but thank you.
RESPONSE: It’s probably best that you keep it that way. The way modern Western Pleasure horses go is looks unnatural and is really hard to watch. I’m not a western person and I don’t know what goes into the training and riding so I don’t meant to knock it, but it’s just weird.
So I built on that, and offered some examples of free moving, straight loping horses. While it is true that WP are taught to cant their hips to the inside which is gross, it is also true that they alone do not define western riding.
Conversations evolve on their own, especially on a BB. Maybe the poster watched the videos I posted, maybe not. no worries, and NBD.
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I told you I did watch the video and saw it pull tight in the jaw. Never mind, it’s not important.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps this is semantics. I consider the bit hobble to be ‘pressing’ against the offside jaw if the horse is plow-reined to the left, rather than ‘tightening’. Tight is not a word I would use to describe the resulting action, but certainly we may mean the same thing.
Back to the original question of a Pelham … I have used one for a couple of scenarios. One was an OTTB whose beginner owner had used too rough a hand. He was refusing any contact. We used a rubber mouth Pelham to cue him with the curb, very lightly, to break at the poll. Once he was willing to give, we put him in the rubber dog bone snaffle. and eventually back to a double jointed metal bit.
I ride my horse in a rubber dog bone in the winter as he hates cold metal bits. But I use the rubber Pelham if I think we may run into cows on winter range just in case I need more control. Last year the calves chased the dog who ran under my horse for protection and he almost bolted so this year I feel like a little “insurance” is a good idea.
I don’t think the OP was objecting to Pelhams in general, just wondering why a self proclaimed trainer of “Grand Prix” dressage horses would be switching from a snaffle, a full bridle and then to a pelham after being thrown from a horse.
It makes no sense, but now that I see what this is really about, sense is the last thing I would expect.
I think forgetting the boots (especially if there were spurs attached them) was a good move since the mare looks very tense and as if she has had enough.
Pelhams certainly have their uses however I’ve never seen a reputable trainer of FEI level dressage horses use one as they practice their “tempis”.
ETA; You can always keep your bridles in the house in the winter to prevent the cold bit issue, unless you are a very tidy person who wouldn't do that sort of thing. :yes:[QUOTE=jdobbs64;8940169]
Perhaps this is semantics. I consider the bit hobble to be ‘pressing’ against the offside jaw if the horse is plow-reined to the left, rather than ‘tightening’. Tight is not a word I would use to describe the resulting action, but certainly we may mean the same thing.[/QUOTE]
It tightened under the jaw. watch again
such a weird thread, like 3 subthreads but my hope to steer it away from the witch hunt was successful!
My reply is what it is. read again 
have a nice day
The Maestro speaks what say you? His morning rant while driving to the barn. These posts rarely stay up long.
(https://www.facebook.com/NickPeronaceDressage/videos/1907435406165531/)
This is his so called riding style. His only video left up.
“Long light reins. Steady rhythm and quiet body. I’m seriously reconsidering competing because such a ride would not score well, yet this is the ideal equestrian art.”
(https://www.facebook.com/NickPeronaceDressage/videos/1882601471982258/)
This is not to diss him but to discuss. Is this really correct riding? Is that really self-carriage? He calls his riding art.
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So I built on that, and offered some examples of free moving, straight loping horses.[/QUOTE]
In this video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyHWiXFKXHU
Horse looks lame behind to me…?
So he has a cold, and he’s driving his car one handed, while at the same time proselytizing and recording it for Facebook?
Add multi tasking behind the wheel to any list of questionable behavior coming from this person.
Purpose of the snaffle curb strap AKA bit hobble
Western snaffles often have a smaller ring than english loose ring bits. Add to that the western folks often ride with no nose band… and the horse is free to open it’s mouth…, and that they are doing lots of maneuvering, (as in pushing cows). The bit ring could easily be pulled into the horses mouth.
The bit hobble prevents this. It has no ‘curb’ function.
Here is an example, click on the photo to see where it is placed.
www.profchoice.com/i-8131346-bob-avila-nylon-bit-hobble.html
I have to commend my trainer. I drove an hour out to the farm to ride. I mentioned casually to my trainer I had a bit of a headache. He said don’t ride. I said it might go away. He said that each ride is a training session. What will you teach him when you are not 100%?
It made perfect sense to me. It could have been a setback in training. He said you could have a lunge session or just turn him out in the arena to have a stretch. This was years ago but I continue the practice at home now on our farm.
Not to mention he is recovering from a hard fall…
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This is his so called riding style. His only video left up.
“Long light reins. Steady rhythm and quiet body. I’m seriously reconsidering competing because such a ride would not score well, yet this is the ideal equestrian art.”
(https://www.facebook.com/NickPeronaceDressage/videos/1882601471982258/)
This is not to diss him but to discuss. Is this really correct riding? Is that really self-carriage? He calls his riding art.[/QUOTE]
My 2 cents, I don’t think any horse appreciates that ‘slack, tight, slack, tight’ rein action, observable as he sits the trot. It makes a lot of horses pissy and tense.
I don’t see a pelham bit, so not sure what that fuss is about. Is the video current?
Ugh, I can’t believe he’s still wearing his gear with the stolen logo. I know (and love) the folks who own the farm which commissioned and owns that logo, and it burns me like a thousand suns that he’s using it for his own gain. Classless.
With all his comments about not criticizing anyone except to their face, I wonder if he’s ever told Charlotte Dujardin what a terrible rider he thinks she is, as he insists on repeating in every post.
In his own words: “People criticize those who can, when they themselves look terrible and can’t.” 
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In this video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyHWiXFKXHU
Horse looks lame behind to me…?[/QUOTE]
agreed, I grabbed a RW video b/c I like his riding, this one was a poor choice on my part.
