Penkoted Grass Seed to Overseed Pasture and Questions About Pasture Pro Application!

  1. I am trying to overseed my pastures and I bought a bag of K31 from TSC, a bag of quick germinated Orchard mix, again from TSC, (It had a tear 10%off woohoo!!) but then I also had a bag of a plain grass mix blend that was on clearance at Lowes, and it is coated, like the coated in green stuff to help activate it and make it germinate faster.

It is called being “Penkoted seed” the bag says not to use it for feed, but the way it is worded sounds more like do not feed the actual seeds to animals. This field is being rested for about a month after I seed it, can I use the Penkoted seed on it? Has anyone used it and then had the horses graze it or should I just save it for my lawn? Yes I can call the manufacturer but it is Sunday and they are closed. :confused:

  1. I just put Pasture Pro on my other two fields yesterday at a mix of 1&1/3oz per gallon as according to their site. What does everyone else do? More or less per gallon? I have a 2 gallon Roundup Sprayer that I use while riding my lawn mower lol. It definetly smelled strong all day, but should I have mixed it stronger?

  2. According to Gordons site, you have to wait 6mo until overseeding after using Pasture Pro, I want real life application advice, do you really have to wait 6mo, or has anyone overseeded a month or so after and it still germinated fine?

Well it’s a little late for fescue overseeding in the south! We’ve had an amazingly cool spring but unfortunately July/August is still going to wipe out anything that’s not established over winter. If it were my seed I’d store it someplace dry and cool until fall when it’s the correct time to put down fescue in the south. Then you really don’t have to worry about pasture pro. I’ve put pp down 6 weeks before sending, but that’s as close as I dare. Usually your best southern routine is PP/ fertilizer in the spring, overseeding in the fall.

Sorry I can’t recall the ratio I use, I have a container with a sharpie line tailored for the 15 gallon tank. And no knowledgeable guidance on pennkote seed but I know I’ve tossed some out there at some point and nobody died, if that helps. :wink:

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It does help thanks!!! It is going to be 34 here tonight so we still are having winter weather spurts :confused: The two bags I used were only 5lbs each, and the 40lb bag of lime pellets was 4 bucks, so I am only out about 25 bucks and 30 min of my day. It was only a 1/4 acre area. I am already seeing new growth and I am driving 4hrs Sat to buy a manure spreader so hopefully having the next 3 weeks resting and manure spreading on it to fertilize will get me some decent starting growth.

I have a plan to mow/pull spreader/harrow pulled behind spreader weekly when I rotate starting Sunday thru around October when it gets cold here. And add a scoop or so of lime pellets into the spreader each week to slowly help the ph. Then in Oct I will do a shorter cut on the mower & deep harrow, heavily lime and overseed, and spread a decent amount of manure over the seed a week or so after that. Then PP, lime more and heavier fertilizing in the spring around Mid March, depending on how the weather is behaving lol. I even made a little spread sheet haha. All I need to buy is a tow behind seed spreader and tow behind sprayer for the pp, or I can keep using my little 2gallon pump sprayer and push scotts seeder and get some more exercise.

Most of the buttercups I sprayed in the 2 fields that I did PP are wilting, but not really dying. I think I am going to call Gordons tomorrow morning to get their recommendation.

I decided I will save the penkoted seed for a couple areas in my front lawn that are dead. Next to the driveway there is one random 8x10ish rectangle that is just yellow compared to the rest of the front yard, it is so weird!! We checked and the concrete stops at where the driveway and grass meet, so we are clueless!

I appreciate the response, I had given up on getting any advice lol!

Are your buttercups blooming? You’ve got to get 2,4-D down before they bloom, or you need something with more ooomph, like Crossbow, once you start seeing the yellow.

Blooming, growing, and my daughter already has chastised me for trying to kill them hahaha. If I do a 2 4D how long before they can graze again though? The field isn’t over run with them, but they annoy me lol.

Crossbow is good stuff; I just used a couple jugs of it. Once they start to “wilt” buttercups will die in all probability. It does take a week to 10 days before you definitely see signs of “mass extermination.” We, too, are suffering in Winter’s Last Gasp. Due to the VERY we spring I was not able to begin to meet the “recommended” spraying times. So the buttercups got a real head start this year. 2,4,d will work after they bloom but it takes significantly higher levels of the material. If, for example, you would apply 1.5 pts/acre early emergence (late Feb. - early Mar. for us) the same level of control in early May (where we are now) will take 3 pts/acre (or more up to the legal maximum). But just WHAT you do on your field is unique to that field. You have the general guidelines but have to interpret those to assure yourself of effective, economical control. Wet weather grossly complicates that process. And you have the amine/ester issue. The rule of thumb around here is “ester before Easter.” But not this year! I’ve still got plenty of ester so I’ll use it up while we are in this, we hope, last ditch battle with Old Man Winter.

Carmen-liz, have you had your soil tested? Even on a small scale soil testing is well worth the small expense as you can very closely tailor you chemical use to what you actually want to grow and kill. This has two major benefits. You don’t risk potential environmental damage using too much of, or an inappropriate, chemical. And you don’t risk significant damage to your wallet by buying expensive items you don’t need. Contact your County Agent or Soil Conservation office and they can help you with the process in your area.

This is a tough year, as the West is already being baked and the East drowning in cold rain. But, that’s the way things are if your going to be involved in some sort of “production agriculture” (and that’s what growing grass is even if it’s just as forage).

Best of luck to you as you go forward.

G.

Pasture Pro is 2,4-D, so check the label. I don’t think it has a grazing restriction? Just don’t expect your buttercups to die. Next year, spray earlier :slight_smile:

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What is ester? I have never heard of that before? I am a horrible farm mom… I have had the darn box to put dirt in and send out for 3 months in my jeep lol. I know I know, I need to just do it already… There is a site online I found, I cannot remember what it was now, but it did show the average ph levels for the state and my yard is in the red area. 😤😤

When I looked up the oz per gallon for the PP it was 1.56 or something like that, so I just used 3oz per every fillup of my 2 gallon sprayer, should I go back over it with more? I already see some wilting, but I also see new buttercups starting to grow and bloom…sigh.

Luckily…or unluckily… my pony does not seem to mind. Damned brat had broken down a whole row of fence when I came home at lunch, the one day I did not turn it on. I found him in their afternoon pasture, laying down, stuffing his unmuzzled fat face full of greeness!!!

If I do anything this weekend about the buttercups it will be Sunday so I am hoping for no rain then, I found a Newer spreader 4 hrs from me and it will be mine by noon Saturday!!!

Also given the abnormal (but awesome) cool weather we have had, all the weed killers and even round up are working a bit poorly/slow. Weeds need to be growing, warm and happy to die quickly lol.

I had a great plan to put down fertilizer in early April, wait a week until the grass and weeds were growing like crazy, then blast them with pasture pro and take those weeds out. And then my gator decided steering was optional. Just got that fixed a week ago, but damn, even in Georgia it’s still cool and breezy so in addition to being pretty disgusting to spray for weeds in the wind, they aren’t going to die all that quickly if they aren’t really thriving in this nippy weather (which is a long way of saying your buttercups may still be dying… But very slowly. This isn’t a normal year!)

Pasture Pro IS straight 2,4-D. Always read your labels and understand what you’re spraying :slight_smile:

That does suck about the gator!! Glad you got it fixed! I am still at the “2pump sprayer driving the riding mower and using the push spreader for fert” stage of farming lol. This weather is insane and is messing with my already mostly shedded out senior. Not to mention stalls… I dream of the day I switch turnout schedules and do not have to clean stalls at 6am for at least a few months!!

Woah, I was under the impression it was 2 4 D but weakened and that was why they could go back out on it once dry. Thank you, this is why I love COTH!! I just read the SDS pdf on this link, says it is mainly the 2 4 D and then the salt of 2 4 D, but then some mix of their “trade secret”. Now I am wondering what this secret ingredient is!!

https://www.gordonsusa.com/products/farm-homestead/pasture-pro-herbicide/

The rain has been in every other day or every two days in the TN Valley since last November. :frowning: I think we’ve had three or four three-day stretches were truly effective weeding can be done. Usually you have wait a day, sometimes two, after a raid to avoid tearing up the turf the tractor tires and you want least a full day for the plant to take up the chemical before the next rain comes and dilutes whatever you put down. That is just the way of things when spraying herbicides.

G.