omg, no kidding, right?! :lol: I’m laughing because I noticed while re-reading my guy’s Penn charts that but for one horse that was “ridden out” and another that “lasted”, all the winners were “driving”.
Change it up a little already!
Some of my personal favorites:
“2 path,tired”
“weakened inside”
OH, I FORGOT MY ALL-TIME FAVORITE
“Passed Tiring Rivals” Classic !
vroom vroom…
Reminds me of that old DRF video game:
<brittish accent> “Number four takes it running away…”
How about “showed little,” “easily,” and “wide trip”?
(harkened back to my childhood for those, along with the aforementioned “no factor,” “driving,” and “weakened”)
Penn National Chart Reporter
Dick,[edit] I can guarantee, if you tried to call a chart, you’d be so nervious, your hands would be shaking so badly, you wouldn’t be able to hold the binoculars. You know nothing about calling chart and obviously you know less about horse racing. [edit]
You blame the chart caller for all the problems at Penn National. It’s kind of like blaming the head chef on the Titanic for it’s sinking.
How about the stewards, how about the veterinarians? How about Gill and his trainers, you know, the people who send out these unsound horses. It would seem they would have a little more control of what goes on than the person doing the charts.
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Lemmings ?
Come on MM, try to be a little more constructive if you care about Horseracing. DH and others started with Gill, his trainers, stewards, AND the vets, not just the chart caller. The issue some of us have with the caller is the suspicion that the charts might have been edited by some higher ups who have an interest in keeping Gill from deeper scrutiny.
Most of us on here have been picking up and PATCHING up a lot of the horses that you only see on charts as eased, pulled up, vanned off and so on. So, before you call us all Lemmings, check out some of the threads on CANTER horses, or Fingerlakes horses, AC4H.com kill pen saves, and maybe you’ll be less harsh . This BB is full of wonderful, intelligent, horsemen and women, and we constantly learn from each other. Join us . Here’s one of my old warriors : “With Spirit” aka MAKO, a fingerlakes horse.
Aw, nice picture. 
Scrape 'em off, Stellaspeed. Anyone who is stupid enough to think that “stupider” is a word just isn’t worth getting upset over.
My latest formerly frequent fader “patch job” isn’t so much a matter of “patching” as it is just giving him simple groceries. For pete’s sake, it’s not rocket science: no calories = no energy. The guy who thought he could run without being fed is even “stupider” than mm’s post.
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Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick. First and foremost, I want to compliment you on the originality of your name. Dick Hertz, seems like just yesterday, when I was in third grade, that I used that name myself.
Why are you so upset with the chart caller at Penn National? Did you lose your allowance money and now you’re not able to buy another bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.
Dick, you’re a moronic buffoon and the lemmings you seem to have as followers, are stupider than you.
Just wondering DICK, what do you do for a living, grave digger, assistant manager at Burger King, gas pumper? You seem like a real smart guy.
I can guarantee, if you tried to call a chart, you’d be so nervious, your hands would be shaking so badly, you wouldn’t be able to hold the binoculars. You know nothing about calling chart and obviously you know less about horse racing. I would think a guy like you, a redneck piece of garbage, would be a fan of NASCAR. You know, watch a race, pop open a few beers and then smack around the old lady. You seem to fit that profile perfectly.
You blame the chart caller for all the problems at Penn National. It’s kind of like blaming the head chef on the Titanic for it’s sinking.
How about the stewards, how about the veterinarians? How about Gill and his trainers, you know, the people who send out these unsound horses. It would seem they would have a little more control of what goes on than the person doing the charts.
If you can’t afford to bet, or, you suck as a handicapper, which you obviously do, don’t blame others for your many short comings. Perhaps you should stick to playing Mario, at least you won’t go broke.
You know what DICK, maybe I’m being too tough on you. Perhaps us racing fans should be thankful to have such a wonderful watchdog, perhaps, when we cash our next ticket, we should give a big thank you to DICK HERTZ. NOOOOOOOT.[/QUOTE]
LMYAO! Well well well, seems we finally got a Gill fan to weigh in:lol:
Are you in anyway connected with horses or are you just a degenerate gambler who needs some remedial writing lessons?
If you used Dickie’s name in grade school was that around the time you started using the word “stupider”?
Oh no wait, I got it, You work in the office with track management right?:eek:
Couldn’t care less about Gill. Also, “stupider” is in my dictionary, don’t know what language you speak. If it will make you happy, how about I say you’re “more stupid”, does that make you happy? I’ve forgotten more about racing then any of you “lemmings” will ever know.
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Couldn’t care less about Gill.[/QUOTE] Then you also couldn’t care less about the well being of the sport. Now we know where you stand.
Also, “stupider” is in my dictionary,
Really? Where it printed china?
don’t know what language you speak.
Obviously, your obtuseness is noted.
If it will make you happy, how about I say you’re “more stupid”, does that make you happy?
I’m always a happy guy. Glad your out to make me happier. Matter of fact this little parlay is amusing me highly. Hope you’ll stick around and let some of the others join the fun:cool:
I’ve forgotten more about racing then any of you “lemmings” will ever know.
Maybe you shouldn’t smoke so much dope. How much about it do you remember?
By the way, I asked you before but for some inexplicable reason you failed to answer (must be that bad memory again) What if anything do you have to do with horses or the horse industry? If that’s too difficult to ponder I’ll try to simplify it for you:winkgrin:
fwiw
A friend with equibase experience said that chart callers are conservative about saying “broke down” if the injury isn’t obviously career/life ending. If a horse makes it onto a van, there’s the chance – however slim – that the animal comes back to race. And while they’re supposed to watch the horses beyond the wire, callers are obligated only to explain DNFs.
Penn’s chart guy might not be doing everything we could hope for, but it sounds like he’s doing what he’s required to. Sadly, I can imagine that these Gill-owned incidents may have come to seem, in Dick’s words, business as usual and barely worth noting.
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Wow. Mongo Mike. My issue is with the DNF’s and nothing else. Not ripping about the “Driving” comments it was more of a friendly poke at the comments by EVERYONE who uses “driving”. The purpose of the thread was to get the DNF’s reported correctly. There is no grey area. If they get in the van alive then “Vanned Off” should accompany any comments. If it didn’t then it needs to be called a Break Down on the charts.
As I am told, chart callers have a choice of four words to use when it comes to the manner in which a horse wins a race. They are, “driving, ridden out, handily and easily”. The margin of victory is not always a guage of how a horse wins. I’ve seen many races where a horse is 10 lengths up in the stretch and the rider is whipping and DRIVING to the wire. I’ve also seen race’s where a horse wins by less than a length but he is being ridden confidently. When you complain about terms and language used, perhaps it’s because the person using those terms has no other choice.
Regading the breakdowns, I don’t know too many chart callers who are also veterinarians. I would think it’s the responsibility of the track veterinarians to contact those who need to have this information.
Things aren’t always how they appear to be.
Perhaps a trip to the press box, to watch who does what, would be beneficial before you cast further judgement.
[QUOTE=mongo mike;4651554]
As I am told, chart callers have a choice of four words to use when it comes to the manner in which a horse wins a race. They are, “driving, ridden out, handily and easily”. The margin of victory is not always a guage of how a horse wins. I’ve seen many races where a horse is 10 lengths up in the stretch and the rider is whipping and DRIVING to the wire. I’ve also seen race’s where a horse wins by less than a length but he is being ridden confidently. When you complain about terms and language used, perhaps it’s because the person using those terms has no other choice.
Regading the breakdowns, I don’t know too many chart callers who are also veterinarians. I would think it’s the responsibility of the track veterinarians to contact those who need to have this information.
Things aren’t always how they appear to be.
Perhaps a trip to the press box, to watch who does what, would be beneficial before you cast further judgement.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Grab a set of binoculars. If the vet makes his way to the horse and the horse then drops to the ground, it needs to be reported for what it is. Laziness and Ignorance are not acceptable. Besides, why the marked improvement at Penn ? They’re now reporting correctly. Don’t get your beef.
“If the vet makes his way to the horse and the horse then drops to the ground, it needs to be reported…”. What does that mean? It makes no sense.
What’s my beef? You are “publically going to humiliate the Penn National Chart Caller until they are fired”. Plus, you state, “I will be monitoring the Equibase Chart Caller…”. Perhaps I missed the article in the Racing Form where you were elected “CZAR OF RACING”…
What is the purpose of the charts Dick? Aren’t they a gambling tool to assist trip handicappers?
I know the FOBs and such want to use them to villify people in the name of research but that’s not their original purpose.
There is no rule that anyone needs a chart. My guess is if this drum keeps getting banged the powers that be are going to say screw it and we’ll get an order of finish with lengths and times, payouts and you get to guess what happened.
Problem solved.
Maybe mongo mike is the chart caller at Penn. :eek::lol:
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I think what’s gotten people so upset, not just the FOB’s, but several other forums as well, is the casual indifference… We’re not asking for bleeding heart sympathy for the horse with the dangling leg on the track, but at least enough respect for your own profession as a chart caller, as a member of the Racing industry, to at least uphold some consistent standards and deliver complete, ACCURATE information to the public.
As far as charts disappearing, you’re dreaming. Horse racing depends on bettors, who in this high tech age, use EVERY conceivable angle and factor to calculate odds. Those factors need to be accurate, like the meds listed, equipment used, jock weights, trainer stats, and so on.
That’s the point, chart callers are very important to the integrity of racing, and should also be accountable for the information they relay, just like an NFL referee, or a MLB baseball umpire.
Pronzini,
Do you follow racing at Penn and in turn of the last 250 charts, how many have you reviewed compared to what you actually saw in person?
'Nuff said
Goodbye.
