Perfequin / Chemical free pain reliever

[goldcoast]

I recently made a topic for “all natural” products or “drug free” products. The original product was the titled “chemical free” Perfequin. I’m wonder if anyone has any experience with this product? Seems to be “legal” by USEF standards, although most of us know based on the common argument here that anything that alters your horses natural performance is technically considered illegal. This matter aside, has anyone ever used this product or heard anything first hand about it?

Perfect Products are the makers of the Perfect Prep paste and supplement which for anyone who has used this knows that results are seen about 95% of the time.

I have used their Joint Impact supplement and was quite impressed with the results after taking some of the horses off Cosequin ASU. Perfect Products have always been interesting to me, and so far from each of the things i’ve tried I have seen the results they claim are able to be seen.

Please note, this question and these products are not in reference to horse showing. To each his own on that matter.

Perfequin

[chancellor2]

These companies drive me crazy. Just because a product comes from “natural” sources doesn’t mean it is chemical free. Arsenic is a chemical and is found in apple seeds. Hemlock is a chemical and is deadly.
This company sounds a little hokey to me.

[jen-s]

OP–I take it you haven’t actually read the rule book? :rolleyes: You are referring to giving a substance to effect a change of behavior. cough, cough Not allowed. Even if it doesn’t test currently.

So either you don’t understand the D&M rules, you don’t give a rat’s patootie because you think you likely won’t get caught, or you are a shill for this company. Wanna just fess up now to which one it is and save time?

[hunterrider23]

If you’re trying to calm down a horse, get a blood test and check for deficiencies. If there is one, supplement it. If there aren’t any, then this is just the horses attitude and you need to leave him be. Make sure he is getting adequate turn out and a correct amount of work.

[DMK]

[QUOTE=jen-s;6832700]
OP–I take it you haven’t actually read the rule book? :rolleyes: You are referring to giving a substance to effect a change of behavior. cough, cough Not allowed. Even if it doesn’t test currently. [/QUOTE]

I take it you didn’t read her post or check her link. It isn’t a quieting supp, but rather an anti-inflammatory, like Cetyl M.

It may or may not be legal, but when it comes to oral supps, that is a grey area in the rule. Omega 6 - inflammatory. Omega 3 anti-inflammatory. MSM - reduces lactic acid concentrations in muscle (the stuff that makes them ache) and has anti-inflammatory properties. So if I feed an oil high in O3 and an MSM supp with pretty much the intent of reducing inflammation/lactic acid concentrations, am I violating the rule?

It’s a good point you make, just not one really related to the topic, I think.

[Long_Spot]

ETA Nevermind.

I never do that. But I just did.

[PINE_TREE_FARM_SC]

[QUOTE=DMK;6832925]
I take it you didn’t read her post or check her link. It isn’t a quieting supp, but rather an anti-inflammatory, like Cetyl M.

It may or may not be legal, but when it comes to oral supps, that is a grey area in the rule. Omega 6 - inflammatory. Omega 3 anti-inflammatory. MSM - reduces lactic acid concentrations in muscle (the stuff that makes them ache) and has anti-inflammatory properties. So if I feed an oil high in O3 and an MSM supp with pretty much the intent of reducing inflammation/lactic acid concentrations, am I violating the rule?

.[/QUOTE]

No grey area.
If USEF rules that the supp contains a med, herbal or otherwise that has properties that it doesn’t allow then yeah, you’re in violation.
We don’t get to decide the legality or not of a supp or a drug. that’s up to USEF.

I get your point but USEF does a great job of hammering home the concept that herbals/supps containing herbals may contain things that we really don’t want turning up on a drug test ( regardless if the vendor declares the real identity of the drug, med or herbal).

[Appsolute]

“Chemical Free” and “Drug Free” sure leaves one scratching their head doesn’t it?

What exactly is their definition of chemical??

Humm – Marijuana is natural – I guess that means it is “drug and chemical free” ?

[DMK]

[QUOTE=PINE TREE FARM SC;6833231]
No grey area.
If USEF rules that the supp contains a med, herbal or otherwise that has properties that it doesn’t allow then yeah, you’re in violation.
We don’t get to decide the legality or not of a supp or a drug. that’s up to USEF.

I get your point but USEF does a great job of hammering home the concept that herbals/supps containing herbals may contain things that we really don’t want turning up on a drug test ( regardless if the vendor declares the real identity of the drug, med or herbal).[/QUOTE]

You are not incorrect in theory, and they do a great job of explaining the protocol, but common sense is still required. EVERY supplement or grain has the property of making a horse feel better/do his job better.

Do you think MSM is not allowed? What about biotin (no hoof, no horse!) What about glucosamine? None of those substances is specifically allowed (like bute/banamine in certain amounts/timeframe) or on the forbidden substances list (like reserpine or devil’s claw). So what is the verdict?

Because I can argue that everyone who takes their horse to a show and gives any/all of those supplements does it for the express purpose of making their horse perform … better. Hey, I feed MSM. I do this to reduce lactic acid in his muscles, there is even some solid studies behind this. I double dose (20mg) at a show solely so he feels less stiff and more relaxed. My intent is clearly to alter his performance. I’m not expecting any calls from the USEF, btw…

Whether it has an effect or not, you don’t pay $$$$ monthly for supps just to support the economy (or if you do, the economy sincerely thanks you). So yes, I would argue there is very much a grey area, even if it pains us to recognize it.

Long Spot , I didn’t even read your original post and yet I’m laughing and laughing…

[merrygoround]

Water is a chemical, coffee is a drug.

I’m not sure where the OP is going with her discussion but it surely does not make sense.

I smell a sales pitch.

[mroades]

I dont know about the OP and her intent, but I can tell you that their ad on the sidebar makes me NUTS!

[jen-s]

You’re absolutely right, DMK, that I missed part of what the OP wrote. Talk about irony! D’oh! But I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought the post didn’t pass the smell test.

Use whatever legal concoction you want, OP. But declare it so if it DOES test, you’re in the clear…kinda.

[Long_Spot]

[QUOTE=mroades;6833358]
I dont know about the OP and her intent, but I can tell you that their ad on the sidebar makes me NUTS![/QUOTE]

THANK YOU.

[goldcoast]

Perhaps you should read my post once more.

[goldcoast]

My goodness, where in this topic did I say that I am looking for this specific pain reliever for my horse? Nowhere. I am interested in hearing a personal review. I’m also interested in who has used Kompeet, Nu Image, Back on Track saddle pads, the KEP helmet, MF custom field boots, Veredus magnetic boots, keeping my personal horses at a state of the art facility with heated and air conditioned stalls with an entry gate made of pure gold, a number of things. This doesn’t mean I am going to go out and purchase each of the products I am interested in knowing more about.

It’s funny how everyone automatically assumes that by inquiring by a product by this company that they are inquiring about it so that they can go under the radar during competition and show their horse who could be in some sort of discomfort, or go under the radar to calm their horse who clearly would not like to be in it’s current conditions.

Did anyone notice the final sentence?

Please note, this question and these products are not in reference to horse showing. To each his own on that matter.

[goldcoast]

[QUOTE=jen-s;6832700]
OP–I take it you haven’t actually read the rule book? :rolleyes: You are referring to giving a substance to effect a change of behavior. cough, cough Not allowed. Even if it doesn’t test currently.

So either you don’t understand the D&M rules, you don’t give a rat’s patootie because you think you likely won’t get caught, or you are a shill for this company. Wanna just fess up now to which one it is and save time?[/QUOTE]

Clearly you did not read my post clearly. As stated “Seems to be “legal” by USEF standards, although most of us know based on the common argument here that anything that alters your horses natural performance is technically considered illegal.” So yes, I have read the USEF drug and medication specifications front to back. And yes I do realize that ANYTHING that ALTERS or EFFECTS the horses behavior or comfort level is not legal. But understandable your assumption that I have absolutely no idea what is considered right and wrong by USEF standards. :yes:

[Ghazzu]

USEF rules aside, I’d not purchase anything from an outfit that claimed it’s products were “chemical free”.
They’re outright lying to you from the get-go.

[goldcoast]

Thank you for the actual input rather than finger pointing and assuming. I was pretty curious about the “chemical free” statement, seeing as I don’t think anything with these sort of claimed results are typically truly chemical free.

[goldcoast]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;6833711]
USEF rules aside, I’d not purchase anything from an outfit that claimed it’s products were “chemical free”.
They’re outright lying to you from the get-go.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the actual input rather than finger pointing and assuming. I was pretty curious about the “chemical free” statement, seeing as I don’t think anything with these sort of claimed results are typically truly chemical free.

I actually have an email pending response that I sent the company. Curious to hear the details on both the Perfect Prep and Perfequin and how exactly they claim they are “chemical free” as well as meeting the requirements set by USEF, and FEI Clean Sport especially, that’s a pretty high risk.

[DMK]

Well, they just give you a link to those rules, so I took that as a “do your own research”. But I agree with ghazzu, “chemical free” makes for a giggle. What’s next? Element free?