Personal Experience Buying @ Hanoverian Verband Auction in Germany

[Horsejudge]

Fairview

I have a question. I thought sellers in Germany had to give a warranty on a horse for a certain period, and take the horse back if they were not staying sound. Is that correct, and does it only apply to German buyers?

Yes and I hope Kareen can explain that a little more in detail why and when you’ll have a legal reason/recourse to “give a horse back”.

As far as I know, it’s only for things which you can prove, that they have been established while the horse was still with the owner.

Say if a horse founders after you bought it, bad luck. If it gets cancer, pulls a tendon, colics or what ever, too bad. If your horse injures itself or falls or anything else, it’s not the sellers responsibility. You will have to proof, that the horse HAD that special problem before you bought it.

You can’t buy a new car, drive it in the ditch and expect the manufacturer to replace the car - because you have a warranty. You can call your insurance if you have one and it’s the same with horses, better safe then sorry, have mortality, medical and loss of use on EACH horse you’ll buy, at least for the first one or two years until you “know” (will we ever KNOW with horses???)what you got yourself into.

The German “lemon” law is for EVERY horse buyer and not limited to the buyers nationality, Germans are no racists!*lol

There is no such law in America, which could make purchases in Germany way more interesting in the long run. Most important in each horse purchase, there are always two sides to every story and good as well as bad things, can happen anywhere, even at your neighbors barn or house or in some cases, with your best friend/trainer involved.

[Bellfleur]

You all read the “vet” report. Is that what you would expect from an internationally acclaimed vet clinic? Why would I have a bone to pick with Peter Cronau or his vet practice?? I never met this man in person so why would I care to attack him here over nothing or for no reason?

YOU PEOPLE ARE RIGHT WHAT IS THERE TO BE CONFUSED ABOUT. THE VET REPORT STATED THIS MARE IS SOUND OF LIMB! RIGHT THERE IN THE FIRST LINE The verbal and the e-mails re-enforced that. She had some positive on the flexions but she is sound to ride and compete. What part about that are you not reading? Again too bad I did not know to record the conversations with both parties.

Did they weasel out down further and should I have known they were attempting to mislead me. YEP I guess I should have. What the heck do you think I am posting about?

If there was NO attempt to mislead and deceive why does it state she was sound of limb? There is no way this mare was sound of limb!!! It did NOT SAY SHE is SLIGHTLY SOUND OF LIMB!!!

Does anyone here know of a vet in the US that would put both of these statements on a vet report ?

Clearly some of the posters here know that slightly positive flexions should be a get the heck out of here, she is stone lame. So if you all know that, then how come this international team vet does not?

Why doesn’t the ‘vet report’ state this mare is lame and does not pass if that is what slightly positive flexions mean??

Either the mare is sound and she passes or she is not sound and does not. All of the OH look there is this disclaimer in another sentence should completely negate the previous and following statements? I was supposed to know that how?

She was never sound even the first day in quarantine. I have a letter from the manager of the quarantine station to prove that also!!! I have several experienced horse people who came to see her in quarantine that saw her lame there also. I have letters from them too.

I too thought that with this vet, that this would be a perfectly safe purchase. After all would could go wrong going to him?

By all accounts it was not what I should have received. There should have been pages of results NOT a one page letter that stated she was sound. Then came back two sentences later and said that she had some SLIGHLY positive flexion but she is sound when ridden and jogged. Then when I called the clinic I got “OH that is ok, sometimes that happens” when many posters here would have never thought OH would be ok?

Many of you who seem so pissed off that I wrote about my experience seem to think WOW she was not sound, it said slightly positive flexions and I should have known she was completely lame!!! Even though the clinic told me she passed the vetting and so did Gerhard Thele. You are telling me there was some language miss-communication??

Are you trying to tell me it was a Dr WHO moment and I just heard that? I had a lot of money on the line. What would you have been thinking? I am going to buy this phenomenally expensive, once in a lifetime mare even though she is lame.

You may not like me or my posts but no one would ever do that if they were told the mare was lame. NOT even stupid, idiot, hateful for no reason, me!

I would not have purchased her if I had been told there were ANY ISSUES to worry about. Neither would any of you. So saying I have some alternative reason for all of this just does not make sense in any way.

OK you must agree with me, everyone here will NEVER question the fact that if the vet even mentions positive flexions the horse is completely unsound to ride ever again. I sure as hell will run away if I ever hear them again on a vetting. Or I will pay a quarter of the price and know I am buying a broodmare only.

I know for a fact however that there are lots of FEI horses out there WITH slightly positive flexions that are ridden, they are sound and they do compete regularly and comfortably.

I spoke with the clinic directly about the soundness of this mare. Their response was “She passed”. I sent an e-mail directly to them asking “Are there any soundness issues with this mare that would stop the sale of her?” When I had not received a response in 2 hours I picked up the phone and CALLED THEM. If they had said this mare had not passed would I have bought her anyhow and then imported her to Wellington expecting to train on her for the season???

If I had known I was buying a broodmare I would have imported her to my breeding farm in VA. It would have been way, way cheaper. AND I would not have felt so stupid about buying such an unsound mare and importing her in front of so many top professionals down there.

I have many other e-mails to friends about how excited I was to finally have a FEI horse to train on. Why would I have all of this if they told me this mare was lame?

Believe me I spent enough money to get a sound brilliant FEI Mare. Pick out any FEI horse available on Dressage Daily and I could have bought it.

BTW there was a stunning Rubin Royal daughter at the Auction that I wanted to buy when I was there instead of looking for an FEI MARE. Gerhard Thele talked me out of her and into the mare I did get. More training he said AND you can never trust the auctions. I would have been a hell of a lot better off getting that one but then he would not have gotten the huge bucks would he!!!

I have no idea what happened at this vetting since I was not there. All I have is that Gerhard THELE called me and said she passed. When I questioned the findings the vet clinic backed him up!!!

AGAIN Gerhard Thele and the vet clinic stated SHE HAS PASSED !!!

I know!!! they flew her through the Bermuda Triangle and there was a time warp so she spent years somewhere else after she left Germany and before I got her!!! :eek:

I have a completely lame mare that has been unrideable since the day she set foot in this country. I have 3 internationally known vets here that have stated the same thing. AND that they were ALL PRE-EXISITING CONDITIONS?

How does this clinic miss Pedal Osteolysis on an X-Ray?? Oh wait he did not vet her, some gremlin took over the clinic and did it? I know some vet student did it and he never reviewed the findings even though he was the responsible party?? Give me a break here.

I did everything possible to ensure that I was buying a sound riding mare. She is not nor has she been sound since she arrived here. She will never be again.

To all of you who think WOWWWWW Peter Cronau, so did I. So how did I get that vet report and how did I end up with a mare with so many problems?

That is exactly what Gerhard Thele told me OH I will get Peter Cronau to vet her. He is a top vet here. He vets for the team!!! You will be sure he finds anything. Problem was I too believed him!!! Go ahead get him to vet your next horse without you there and I wish you all of the luck. I bet you get a full vet report not this one page letter that states definitely sound but not.

Personally, I do hope this vet does read this. Maybe he could let me know what exactly did happen and how I ended up with a mare that is completely unsound. She is now the most expensive warmblood broodmare on the planet. Good thing she is as great at that as she was as a riding horse! I would love for him to explain to me how my once in a lifetime purchase when I do not have money to replace her is and was completely lame to my face.

Maybe he does have malpractice insurance and he will voluntarily send me some of my money back? Right!

AND BEFORE YOU ALL SCREAM If I was here in the US the malpractice insurance would have already paid!

I was sure he was and still am sure he is a brilliant vet soooo what happened? Where did that vet report come from and why did he allow that to occur. If he can pull Brentina from a competition for the smallest problem how come he did not see the many huge problems with this mare?

Maybe one of you who is so angry about me publishing this here has a better explanation?

And I agree he is well known. I found out just how well after I purchased this mare.

AND He does know about the problem because my lawyer in Germany told him!!!

The OP wrote a wonderful article and she had a great time and found a wonderful horse. I just thought you should all see the other darker side. I am not the only one this type of story happens too just probably the worst.

I am confused why some of you feel you have to attack me over the stating of facts here. There is NOT more too it.

I went to buy a sound FEI mare to use as a competition horse. I have proof. I have proof that Gerhard Thele knew I was looking for a sound FEI Mare as I e-mailed him my requirements prior to going over. I had several people here looking also.

The facts stand for themselves. I have letters from some of the top professional IN OUR COUNTRY that state this mare was in horrible shape and she should not have passed the vetting. I have 3 VET REPORTS from internationally know FEI vets here in the states THAT CLEARLY STATE SHE WAS LAME WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. I AM SORRY THIS PISSES YOU ALL OFF. It unfortunately is all true.

Buying a horse overseas is much more risky than here. Period.

AND YES I DID FINALLY DECIDE THAT IT WOULD SIMPLY COST TOO MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY TO ATTEMPT TO PURSUE THE CASE FURTHER IN GERMANY. I HAVE A TOP INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZABLE RIDER AND EQUINE LAWYER AS MY ATTORNEY IN GERMANY TOO. HE SAID IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE REALLY REALLY EXPENSIVE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING I HAVE ALREADY SPENT. IT WOULD TAKE YEARS AND I MAY NEVER SEE A PENNY BACK DID I WANT HIM TO CONTINUE?

SO YES I GAVE UP ON PURSUING IT, AS WOULD MOST PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD.

YOU ALL TALK ABOUT WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE.

Too bad you did not all let me know COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE BEFORE I left! Then I would not be here posting this now would I!

One of the problems here is that everyone talks about what a wonderful time and great horse they got in Germany. One rarely comes forward and says Hey look what an idiot I am I got totally taken. I thought x/y/z because that is what happens in the US and I got something totally different in Germany. Buyer overseas should be made aware of the pitfalls.

After seeing some of you peoples posts I can completely understand why. So far I am stupid, an idiot, should be embarrassed to get so taken, and out right lying for some unknown reason!

If we do not hide the horrible experiences under the blanket and we give them as much exposure as the ‘you so smart for getting a super, brilliant horse in Europe. Didn’t I just have the time of my life’ then maybe all of us will in the future get super horses that come as described and sound in mind and body.

A final note on Insurance: If the insurance company finds that the mare had pre-existing conditions then your insurance is void!! They did and so it is clearl they agreed with my and the US vets assessment! They stated she should never have passed the vet in Germany and was lame when she was insured! Viola no insurance even though it was paid for. There is no way to insure against fraud is what they told me.

She got off the plane Stumbling lame so there was no driving the car in a ditch scenario either.

[Bellfleur]

ON THE LEMON LAW in Germany! I thought this too.

After 6 months of owning the horse “the buyer must prove that the seller had reason to know the horse is lame” !!! AND that is if you do not FILE within the six months!!!

it is NOT as I thought and was told before this purchase by Gerhard Thele that if the horse comes up lame within 2 year with a provable pre-existing condition then you get your money back. THIS IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=Horsejudge;3399607]

There is no such law in America, which could make purchases in Germany way more interesting in the long run. [/QUOTE]

That is incorrect. There are states (including Florida and Kentucky, I believe) that have legislation specifically directed at equine sales. In addition, basic contract, agency, and fraud laws would cover MOST scenarios that are of any concern to a horse purchaser. There actually is no need for a law specifically relating to horse sales.

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Bellfleur, I totally agree that you were cheated, but if she got off the plane lame, why did you not file within 6 months?

[slc2]

Bellfleur, you keep saying over and over and over, that this vet report says this horse is ‘sound in limb’ (which has been explained to you very, very, very thoroughly here as meaning absolutely nothing as far as ability of the horse to be used for intended riding purpose).

And you KEEP ignoring the part where she jogged off from flexions lame, had contracted foot (sign of chronic problem) and abnormal tendons. The vet was trying to tell you something!

Look, I am very sorry you got a lame horse and lost your money, but I think it’s important that YOU learn something from this so it doesn’t happen to you again - this has NOTHING to do with Thele, this is you not following a process to protect yourself.

I understand you stated you ‘want to trust people’, but to be perfectly honest, you’re being very, very unrealistic, and you really, really need to learn from this or you will continue to get ripped off over and over again.

The most frustrating thing is you just keep going over and over the same thigns and not listening to people here - do you understand what the examination of the legs meant? Did you hear people say they wouldn’t have bought a GP horse that jogged off lame from both front flexions, had a contracted foot and abnormal tendons?

I would not have bought this horse as a GP riding horse, based on the German vet’s statements - neither would a lot of other people I know - many would have considered her for a broodmare only - others who would take a chance on her as a riding horse may also not understand that GP is not a pleasure cruise and a horse needs to be very stong and if he has issues like the above, he’s not going to be able to do it.

I also think it’s important to keep in mind that while you may not be riding the horse GP, the horse has quite a lot of value as a broodmare, and can provide you with offspring that you can sell or ride yourself. The lifelong profit from the horse in that use may be much higher than if she was used only for riding.

And unfortunately, I think that based on the German vet report, you were very, very well informed about the condition of the horse, and went ahead and bought it. I think this would more be why you don’t have any recourse than anything else. Again, sorry this happened to you, I feel very sorry for you, and I know it could just have easily been me, but for heaven’s sake, the vet did NOT try to deceive you.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;3399850]
Bellfleur, I totally agree that you were cheated, but if she got off the plane lame, why did you not file within 6 months?[/QUOTE]

I would venture a guess that part of the time ran while Bellfleur was having diagnostic testing on the mare done here; part probably ran while trying to find a lawyer in Germany. If you don’t happen to know about a limitations period, it is pretty easy to find yourself SOL. And, I do know that one lawyer in Germany agreed to take the case and then sat on it, and when contacted for a status report, he kept saying “we are working on it.” But apparently they didn’t actually do much of anything.

Moreover, a 6 month time limit is very short if you have any intentions of trying to resolve the problem in a non-litigious manner. Contrary to popular belief, most people do not, day 1 upon observing something amiss, run straight to the courthouse.

[nhwr]

It wouldn’t have mattered when she filed. The condition of the horse was disclosed in the vet check and she accepted it.

[YankeeLawyer]

I asked this before but it was unanswered…

Kareen, or anyone knowledgeable in such matters, what language should one expect to see in a German PPE that is considered to be a PASSING vet report?

Is it correct that in Germany, PPE reports NEVER evaluate soundness in terms of suitability for the intended use? In other words, do they never take into account whether the horse is to be used as a broodmare or an upper level competition horse? I really think that is untrue. My most recent vetting of a horse in Germany revealed a small issue that seemed like it was unlikely to affect soundness as a competition horse. The vet said so. But as a follow-up question I specifically asked whether that remained true at the highest levels of sport, i.e., did he mean sound for lighter work/ lower level competition only, or did he mean there is nothing to indicate that the horse has physical limitations, and the vet answered that it did not. My own US vet confirmed the same thing upon reviewing the report and the radiographs.

[Joanne]

What did Dr. Cronau say when you told him how lame the mare was when she arrived?

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=nhwr;3399941]
It wouldn’t have mattered when she filed. The condition of the horse was disclosed in the vet check and she accepted it.[/QUOTE]

NHWR, the case really is not that clear cut. That is an opinion shared by a very well-regarded German lawyer specializing in this area.

[nhwr]

Vets in California, at least the ones I know, won’t “pass” horses in a vet check. They report and discuss their findings, then let the buyer decide. But they won’t say “suitable for use as a dressage horse or hunter or whatever…”. They would do that 20 years ago but not anymore :no:

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

@slc2;3399926

The vet was trying to tell you something!

I don’t think an international HIRED vet should be “trying” to tell someone ANYTHING. <hint, hint, wink, wink, whisper in your ear, secretly waves to get your attention, etc> Bellfleur stated that she was told via PHONE conversation that the “findings” were expected, and should not be a problem.

PASSED is a pretty bold statement for the vet’s office to use, don’cha think? OUR vets may not PASS a horse, but this German one did. How many of you experts would not buy a horse that an Internationally known, OLYMPIC team vet said PASSED?

Again, this vet report was discussed, and he said the findings were basically a non-issue. How is that not deceitful? Is he that poor of a vet that he couldn’t tell of a problem?

[nhwr]

A vet is in a precarious position here. They are exposed if the buyer purchases a lame horse and they are exposed if they claim a valuable animal may have a serious problem, that turns out to be nothing. What the vet was willing to commit to, he put in writing. That is the way vets work. No credible vet is going to jepordize their reputation for a single deal.

I was involved in the purchase of a gelding in the Netherlands for a friend. The vet reported something similar, though it was a hind leg and no contracted foot. And the horse was only about 8,000 euros. He had been NRPS regional vice champion at basically 4th level but had been out of work for a year. We were speaking to our US vet on the phone during the vet check. He asked to have the effected leg ultrasounded. That relieved some slight scarring on the suspensory. Vet suggested that we pull blood and freeze it. Then put the horse in training for 60 days and re-examine the horse. We did that. The horse was sound after 60 days of training and my friend brought her vet over for the recheck. It worked out fine.

I am still very curious what Bellfleur’s US vet told her about the prepurchase report and xrays when he/she reviewed them before the purchase.

And Bellfleur, I am sure this has got to be an emotional topic for you. I don’t believe anyone here thinks you are hateful or stupid.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=nhwr;3400012]
Vets in California, at least the ones I know, won’t “pass” horses in a vet check. They report and discuss their findings, then let the buyer decide. But they won’t say “suitable for use as a dressage horse or hunter or whatever…”. They would do that 20 years ago but not anymore :no:[/QUOTE]

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my posts. If a vet finds an issue, and we are discussing whether that issue is material, it is normal, in my experience, for the vet to say that the issue renders the horse suitable for lower level sport only, or that particular issue is not likely to pose any greater chance of a problem for the horse if placed in strenuous training than the horse would ordinarily face if the issue was not present. Or, for example, they might say there is some increased risk, and if the issue ends up posing a problem, the problem is likely (or unlikely) to be one that is not hard to manage.

[Dune]

@Bellfleur;3398708

• Who of us would not keep the top riding horses, broodmares and foals for themselves? The German’s do! They have a government program to help keep the best there too!

This is something that I hear time and time again. They can’t keep every top horse, and quite frankly, most of us going over there don’t need the “top” horse. There are plenty of very nice horses left over.

@RedMare01;3398853

To bring back an original point of the thread, a breeder or registry co-op to coordinate buyers seeing horses at multiple farms: great idea!

To the OP: great story and I’m glad you ended up so happy and with such a wonderful horse. Everyone should be so lucky.

Caitlin

Actually the original point of the story WAS the OP’s purchasing in Europe story, not how to buy horses here in the US. I think that’s part of what is chapping folks’ hides. :yes:

[quote=MelantheLLC;3399128]Is it pertinent that Dr. Peter F. Cronau was the team vet for the German, Austrian and Italian olympic teams, and diagnosed the tendon issue that kept Brentina from defending at the World Cup?

Is it ok to mention this? Debbie MacDonald and Klaus Balkenhol apparently assumed he was competent at that time, and not a con man or a crook.

I do have sympathy but it’s hard to just accept that an internationally acclaimed vet is a con man. If nothing else, we can be puzzled by the apparent contradiction.
[/quote]

Yes, insert my puzzled look here.

@nhwr;3399185

Someone decided to buy a horse with problems that were disclosed in a vet check. Maybe they were focused on other things and they didn’t fully comprehend the problems as disclosed or maybe they did and didn’t care. But the problems were noted and the buyer proceeded.

16 years ago I bought a horse in the US (another state) that was completely (and unethically) misrepresented. The amount of $ was substantial to me. Because laws vary from state to state in the US, it was difficult to pursue any legal recourse. I chose not to chase it.

Does this mean I should not buy horses in the US?

No matter the circumstances, it is ultimately incumbent on the buyer to understand and represent their own interests. Caveat emptor :yes:

Ditto that.

[quote=Bellfleur;3399724]You all read the “vet” report. Is that what you would expect from an internationally acclaimed vet clinic?

It is quite typical. I’ve worked with a nationally known radiologist, when I sit with him while he views the x-rays/ultrasounds, he is quite verbose. To read his written report afterward, you would not know this.

Many of you who seem so pissed off that I wrote about my experience

I really don’t see any who is “so pissed off” that you wrote about your experience. It’s just that it’s misplaced (should’ve probably started your OWN thread) and that it doesn’t add up. The only folks that I’m getting the “pissed off” vibe from are you and YL. It’s not worth it, really.:no:

Stumbling lame so there was no driving the car in a ditch scenario either.

I would love to know the drugs that could make a horse feel/look that sound at one point when they are barely able to walk the next. That makes it sound so bad that she would not be even pasture sound. Is it recommended that she be kept alive and suffering? I’m hoping she’s better now. ???

[/quote]

[quote=slc2;3399926].

And you KEEP ignoring the part where she jogged off from flexions lame, had contracted foot (sign of chronic problem) and abnormal tendons. The vet was trying to tell you something!

Look, I am very sorry you got a lame horse and lost your money, but I think it’s important that YOU learn something from this so it doesn’t happen to you again - this has NOTHING to do with Thele, this is you not following a process to protect yourself.

I understand you stated you ‘want to trust people’, but to be perfectly honest, you’re being very, very unrealistic, and you really, really need to learn from this or you will continue to get ripped off over and over again.

The most frustrating thing is you just keep going over and over the same thigns and not listening to people here - do you understand what the examination of the legs meant? Did you hear people say they wouldn’t have bought a GP horse that jogged off lame from both front flexions, had a contracted foot and abnormal tendons?

I also think it’s important to keep in mind that while you may not be riding the horse GP, the horse has quite a lot of value as a broodmare, and can provide you with offspring that you can sell or ride yourself. The lifelong profit from the horse in that use may be much higher than if she was used only for riding.

And unfortunately, I think that based on the German vet report, you were very, very well informed about the condition of the horse, and went ahead and bought it. I think this would more be why you don’t have any recourse than anything else. Again, sorry this happened to you, I feel very sorry for you, and I know it could just have easily been me, but for heaven’s sake, the vet did NOT try to deceive you.
[/quote]

There are some very valuable comments in this post.

[quote=YankeeLawyer;3399950]I asked this before but it was unanswered…

Kareen, or anyone knowledgeable in such matters, what language should one expect to see in a German PPE that is considered to be a PASSING vet report?

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[/quote]

No vet does a pass/fail type of PPE anymore. IF you are present they may SAY something to you, but typically your vet report is going to look like Bellfleur’s.

[Summit_Springs_Farm]

Bellfleur-First Let me say how sorry I am you got ripped.

My question is Did Bellfleur send the international(Germany) vet report to her local vet here to review the findings?

I did not read all the posts as this is a very long thread.

But when I bought a horse this year in Germany I had the Germany vet send the finds and x-rays to my vet here for approval, and a couple of horses he nixed right away before I found the one I bought.

And I told the Germany agent that if my vet nixed the deal then no sale, so it was easy, I trusted my vet to make the call, after all he is the one who will be caring for my horses once they are purchased, last thing he want is me calling about my lame horse he passed!:winkgrin:

[nhwr]

Sure, I get that YL.

But there is a big difference legally and in terms of the practice of veterinary medicine between saying something is not likely to be an issue at a certain level of performance and saying a horse passes a check.

No vet in my area will pass or fail a horse. They just do the exam and report what they find. If there is an issue about which more information might be needed, they might recommend other tests. But they don’t say a horse passes or fails.

[Dune]

@YankeeLawyer;3400187

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my posts. If a vet finds an issue, and we are discussing whether that issue is material, it is normal, in my experience, for the vet to say that the issue renders the horse suitable for lower level sport only, or that particular issue is not likely to pose any greater chance of a problem for the horse if placed in strenuous training than the horse would ordinarily face if the issue was not present. Or, for example, they might say there is some increased risk, and if the issue ends up posing a problem, the problem is likely (or unlikely) to be one that is not hard to manage.

This is where speaking to the vet one on one is SO very important. I do have a vet that will still somewhat “make predictions”…most these days will not. Usually they’ll say, “We’ll he’s doing XYZ today without any problem, right? Then I’d expect that he’d be able to continue to do XYZ tomorrow and if it becomes a problem then ABC would be our protocol or (possibly) there is nothing that can be done and you’ll have a pasture ornament.”

[Dune]

Also, with regard to pedal osteitis, interpreting the x-rays can be very subjective. I bought a horse where the German vet and my US radiologist made NO comment about pedal osteitis. My regular vet saw the x-rays and said, “So and so told you these were all right?!” :eek: I told him yes, two vets had and guess what??? THE first two vets were RIGHT, the horse never had problems with his front feet due to the supposed pedal osteitis. But now I’m confused, do the mare’s issues stem from PE or soft tissue injuries in the legs???