Mistyblue-referring to someone being drunk is name calling in my book.
And I call them as I see them, if that is “pot-stirring” that is your opinion. Not much variety in opinions about PETA or carriage horses here.
Thanks for proving my point about the hostility !
You read hostility into that? :sigh:
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;7260031]
You read hostility into that? :sigh:[/QUOTE]
Yes, as usual anyone who questions the carriage horse industry and is anti-slaughter and thinks PETA has a role in in our society is met with responses like yours. As usual…:lol:
[QUOTE=stolen virtue;7260032]
Yes, as usual anyone who questions the carriage horse industry and is anti-slaughter and thinks PETA has a role in in our society is met with responses like yours. As usual…:lol:[/QUOTE]
Oh, this is getting good!
<puts feet up and grabs popcorn>
I agree. I didn’t care for the wine remark either, but hey, it’s a message board.
Nevertheless, hope you can see that when you do it, it’s “calling them as I see them,” yet for the frank responses of others who are doing exactly that - calling it as they see PETA, oh, that’s different. That’s “hostility.” 
Nope.
[QUOTE=Anne FS;7260228]
I agree. I didn’t care for the wine remark either, but hey, it’s a message board.
Nevertheless, hope you can see that when you do it, it’s “calling them as I see them,” yet for the frank responses of others who are doing exactly that - calling it as they see PETA, oh, that’s different. That’s “hostility.” Nope.[/QUOTE]
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. That’s a good thing to remember.
The truth here is that PETA employees admitted in court that they routinely pick up animals from shelters & veterinarians, load them into a van, drive a short distance away, euthanize each & every adoptable animal, and then either drive back to PETA headquarters, which has its own crematorium, or else dump the bodies behind a Piggly Wiggly.
Nothing “somewhere in the middle” about that.
PETA is evil. Enough said.
This isn’t new information. PETA is bat poop nutty. A few years ago their volunteers were busted for trying to throw out dog, cat, kitten, puppy carcasses in a grocery store’s dumpster. It turned out the people had taken the animals from local shelters with the promise of placing them and killed them in the van. The van began to stink so they went looking for a garbage can and that’s how they got busted. Their whole reasoning was that they were saving these animals from a fate worse than death…by killing them.
There is nothing PETA can do to impress me at this time. They’re crazy, crazy, crazy.
Paula
[QUOTE=stolen virtue;7259308]
Hermein: Be careful this is an anti-PETA venue…and you better be pro-carriage horse business as well.[/QUOTE]
This is my post that refers to the attitudes of those on this board. Yes, this is calling it as I see it that got posters upset with me. Sometimes I just have to wonder about all of the hostility here…makes my original post, well true.
I am most assuredly anti-PETA. I’m anti-crazy people taking animals from shelters under false pretenses and freakin’ killing them! That has nothing to do with anything but PETA.
Paula
[QUOTE=paulaedwina;7260890]
I am most assuredly anti-PETA. I’m anti-crazy people taking animals from shelters under false pretenses and freakin’ killing them! That has nothing to do with anything but PETA.
Paula[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the links posted by Mary Tully? It’s not black and white, the truth is somewhere in the middle, as it always is.
What’s not black and white about adopting dogs, puppies, cats, and kittens from shelters and killing them IN THE VAN with no intention of actually taking them to any sanctuary?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/217051
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2007/01/24/testimony-underway-in-peta-trial/
I remember when that news broke. I don’t see what needs to be clarified.
Paula
[QUOTE=paulaedwina;7260973]
What’s not black and white about adopting dogs, puppies, cats, and kittens from shelters and killing them IN THE VAN with no intention of actually taking them to any sanctuary?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/217051
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2007/01/24/testimony-underway-in-peta-trial/
I remember when that news broke. I don’t see what needs to be clarified.
Paula[/QUOTE]
Do you remember that they were found not guilty of cruelty?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/217051
http://www.examiner.com/article/understanding-peta-s-shelter
There are always two sides to a story. Open minded people are willing to investigate to make sure what they’ve been told is the truth.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7261091]
Do you remember that they were found not guilty of cruelty?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/217051
http://www.examiner.com/article/understanding-peta-s-shelter
There are always two sides to a story. Open minded people are willing to investigate to make sure what they’ve been told is the truth.[/QUOTE]
You are a hypocrite.
If anybody get free horses under the pretense to give them forever homes, to just turn around and kill them, you’d want their head on a platter/pike whichever is closer at hand.
When PETA does the same thing, you are looking for the middle ground (AKA making excuses).
It’s the truth that PETA kills most of the animals that come into their hands.
They file documents with the state in this regard.
read the link I posted. 
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7261091]
Do you remember that they were found not guilty of cruelty?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/217051
http://www.examiner.com/article/understanding-peta-s-shelter
There are always two sides to a story. Open minded people are willing to investigate to make sure what they’ve been told is the truth.[/QUOTE]
They were found not guilty of cruelty because euthanization is legal.
The two sides of this story are PETA on one side euthanizing pets they said they’d re-home and the other side is those of us who find that reprehensible.
paulaedwina is right. PETA employees - read that again: PETA employees themselves - admit that’s what they did in the NC case and that’s what they do. So what’s not the truth here? The truth is they round up animals, healthy animals as supported by both veterinarian testimony and shelter personnel, and execute them. That’s a simple fact, LauraKY, it’s a simple fact which PETA admits.
If you support that, that’s your right, but don’t try to obfuscate the issue here. If you don’t find it disgusting to take these puppies & kittens and euthanize them for NO OTHER REASON THAN BECAUSE YOU CAN, and then to dump the bodies in the trash, that again is your right, but there is no way on God’s green earth that I am going to stop saying such actions, and the people who commit them and the people who support them, are despicable human beings.
Since you didn’t read the links:
In 2000, a law enforcement officer witnessed these disturbing events at the Bertie County, North Carolina animal shelter and contacted PETA with photographs: a starving dog eating the remains of a dead kitten, and a dog lying near death in his flooded enclosure. This is the actual PETA “Action Alert” precipitated by those horrible events. Outraged by the photos depicting the disturbing conditions at the Bertie County animal shelter, PETA galvanized and dispatched a team to North Carolina. PETA staff and volunteers went immediately to work to improve the conditions at the shelter, and PETA sent experts to talk to county officials about ending their use of gas chamber and firearm euthanasia.
Under enormous pressure from PETA and its supporters, four North Carolina pounds and shelters entered into agreements with the animal rights organization to improve pound conditions for animals, but county officials refused to budge on the gas chamber issue. PETA began working closely with the shelter that year, pouring over $300,000 into bringing the shelters up to code–even building safe animal housing from the ground up. PETA contracted the services of local a veterinarian, Dr. Patrick Proctor, DVM, to euthanize animals who would otherwise be killed in a gas chamber at the Hertford County pound. PETA tried to persuade the remaining three counties to allow local vets to humanely euthanize their animals as well–on PETA’s dime–but for whatever reason they refused. They would allow PETA to remove and euthanize the animals themselves and at their own expense however, and transport their remains back to Virginia for cremation. Every week, sometimes several times a week, PETA staff and volunteers would make the hours-long trek to North Carolina to clean kennels, feed animals, save as many adoptable animals as they could, and humanely euthanize the ones they would not be able to find homes for. Sick and injured animals on stray holds, who would typically be left to languish in cages, were transported by PETA staff to local veterinarians like Dr. Proctor for treatment. PETA’s “Community Animal Project” was born
http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/the-north-carolina-incident.html
Further in the above linked article:
The Center for Consumer Freedom and Nathan Winograd both have gotten a lot of mileage out of this incident, each lamenting about Dr. Proctor’s heartrending testimony and how he claimed that he had no idea that the PETA CAP volunteers would euthanize the three animals he told them to remove from his office that day. Yet, neither the CCF of Nathan Winograd mention that the jury found the PETA CAP volunteer not guilty of obtaining the animals under false pretenses because the reality was that no one could know better that PETA euthanized the North Carolina animals they couldn’t find homes for than Dr. Proctor. Dr. Proctor euthanized 1,227 animals who PETA wouldn’t be able to find homes for, and was paid by PETA over $10,000 to do it. Who could possibly know better of PETA’s North Carolina protocol than they man they paid to implement it over the span of several years?
There are other things the CCF and Nathan Winograd omit about the testimony at the trial, like how the defense and the prosecution couldn’t agree on which employee had actually relinquished the animals to the PETA volunteer, and how the prosecution’s witness admitted upon cross-examination that while she thought that the animals might be found homes, she was never actually told they would be. She admitted to knowing that the animals might be euthanized, proving that no promises were ever made.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle and never forget, everyone has an agenda.
There’s more, but you’d have to read the article or actually research the trial.
PETA believes that death is preferable to life as a pet or otherwise husbanded by humans.
That is the fate worse than death that animals in their care are saved from: a life. With humans.
PETA offends, disgusts and yes, frightens caring humans who enjoy animal interactions of all sorts from companion to competition. They do not see killing in the same way at all. Or lying, obtaining under false pretenses and destroying property.
Most people simply avoid them, as they do others willing to bloody their neighbors for their own gain.
If anyone on here lobbies in these related fields…or just really wants to know what/who they’re supporting or vilifying…there are court documents other than the verdicts.
Like what actually happened.
I notice Ms Tully and PETA don’t bother showing or highlighting certain facts of the trial.
Like that gas chambers and firearms used to be used in some shelters in NC. Up until 2003.
But that this happened in 2005.
And that they had an agreement to take overflow animals up North from NC to adopt them out to their many millions of willing supporters. Like southern areas have been doing for ages, sending excess North for better adoption chances.
And that they did discuss injecting the animals…with a sedative for the long drive to where they’d be adopted from. Not euthanized.
Or that the reason they weren’t bringing the animals back to VA was because in VA they have to keep an animal no less than 5 days after possession before euthanizing/disposing of it. So they were killed in NC within a short time frame. Or why they weren’t brought to the crematorium that PETA had a contract with in NC?
Brown: “What was the procedure that PETA had set up for disposal of animals euthanized in North Carolina?”
Nachminovitch: “We had a contract with Pet Cremation Services of Tidewater.”
Brown: “And what were the CAP [PETA’s ‘Community Animal Project’] workers supposed to do with the animal bodies?”
Nachminovitch: “Bring them back to the PETA office and put them in the freezer.”
Asbell: "How was Bertie County disposing of the animals?
Nachminovitch: “Today? Now?”
Asbell: “Then, in 2000.”
Nachminovitch: “I don’t know what they were doing with the bodies at that time, that were dead. Is that your question?”
Asbell: “That’s my question.”
Nachminovitch: “I don’t know.”
Asbell: “All right. But it is your testimony that Bertie County knew that your employees were euthanizing animals in Bertie County. That’s your testimony, is it not? … It’s your testimony that [Animal Control Officer] Barry Anderson knew that?”
Nachminovitch: “Yes.”
Asbell: “Well, let me ask you this. If Barry Anderson knew that, and if [County Manager] Zee Lamb knew that, and the Sheriff knew that—that you, and your employees, including Ms. Hinkle and Mr. Cook, were killing animals in Bertie County—why didn’t you just leave the dogs there ?”
Nachminovitch: “No reason.”
The internet is not Facts R Us, folks. Sometimes you just have to get hard copies of actual documents so you don’t have to go by the heavily edited, spin-city versions found online.
And never ever believe 100% when any group or org links to their own sites for “facts” to defend themselves.
:yes:
By submitting your email, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. You may also receive promotional emails from The Chronicle of the Horse. You can opt out at any time.
For Customers
Company
Terms of Use
