Piaffe Scoring Question

I was watching a freestyle and while the pair was doing one of their piaffes, the commentators mentioned that the piaffe was a bit slow, but on the spot. It made me wonder if a more active, but slightly less on the spot (but still within FEI guidelines) piaffe would score better.

In that same vein, which is more correct? I know that theoretically, correct and scoring better should be the same, but that isn’t always the case. This is coming from a person who has piaffed exactly once in their life and just wants to expand their knowledge.

Many years of scribing have taught me that every judge has her or his likes, dislikes, and preferences about what should score better within the guidelines. One judge might think it is more important to stay on the spot, while another might prefer the more active piaffe.

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There’s a huge amount of variation in activity from the horse is about to completely stop the movement all the way to the horse couldn’t lift his hind legs any higher. You’ve got the same variation in how on the spot it is.

I would think they would give preference to good activity even if it moved forward a few inches vs a horse with a rider that is practically humping the saddle to keep the horse going but what activity there is happens on the spot.

It’s all shades of gray. And you have other factors like the connection, is the horse swinging some side to side, is the horse tapping the toe of the hind leg on the ground etc.

I know squat about training or riding piaffe. These are my observations from watching countless FEI level competitions, seeing lots of piaffes in an actual competition environment and how they end up being scored.

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First how did the rider score? It really does help understanding what happened and the commentary.

**Slow doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t active - Maybe they meant the horse was a bit earthbound or the movement felt labored? A rhythm problem is much more costly.

That is why it is important to refer to the rules, the test sheet and the judging guidelines - it really is the best way to learn about dressage. And judges also have their handbook - which is not available for free online. (65CHF)

Test sheet for Piaffe score : Regularity, taking weight, self-carriage, activity, elasticity of back and steps. (Specific number of diagonal steps - When asked)

FEI Dressage rules

ARTICLE 415 THE PIAFFE

  1. Piaffe is a highly collected, cadenced, elevated diagonal movement giving the impression of remaining in place. The Horse’s back is supple and elastic. The hindquarters are lowered; the haunches with active hocks are well engaged, giving great freedom, lightness and mobility to the shoulders and forehand. Each diagonal pair of legs is raised and returned to the ground alternately, with spring and an even cadence. Regularity

1.1. In principle, the height of the toe of the raised forefoot should be level with the middle of the cannon bone of the other supporting foreleg. The toe of the raised hind foot should reach just above the fetlock joint of the other supporting hind leg.
1.2. The neck should be raised and gracefully arched, with the poll as the highest point. The Horse should remain “on the bit” with a supple poll, maintaining soft contact. The body of the Horse should move in a supple, cadenced and harmonious movement.
1.3. Piaffe must always be animated by a lively impulsion and characterised by perfect balance. While giving the impression of remaining in place, there may be a visible inclination to advance, this being displayed by the Horse’s eager acceptance to move forward as soon as it is asked.
1.4. Moving even slightly backwards, irregular or jerky steps with the hind or front legs, no clear diagonal steps, crossing either the fore or hind legs, or swinging either the forehand or the hindquarters from one (1) side to the other, getting wide behind or in front, moving too much forward or double-beat rhythm are all serious faults.

The aim of piaffe is to demonstrate the highest degree of collection while giving the impression of remaining in place.

Guidelines for evaluating the piaffe, transitions and the walk : (GP)
Other faults are as follows:

  •      [B][I]Going more than 1 meter forward[/I][/B]. This is only half steps not piaffe, therefore not more than 5
    

Guidelines for piaffe at Inter A et B :

« We have to remain true to the principle that it must be possible to award a the maximum score,‘10’, for every exercise that is asked for in the tests, provided that the quality can be regarded as ‘excellent’.
Therefore, if we see perfectly regular, highly expressive piaffe steps that are ‘allowed to travel forwards 2 meters’, as in the A and B tests, we should be prepared to award the maximum score.
If however, the piaffe is shown ‘more or less in place’ as in the Grand Prix, and is performed in an ‘excellent’ way, we should still be prepared to award the maximum score, as the guidelines for the A and B tests only state that it is ‘allowed’ to advance for up to two metres. Nowhere is it stated that the piaffe ‘must’ advance two metres. »

Next are Guidelines for marking the fundamental dressage movements :

https://inside.fei.org/system/files/Guidelines%20for%20Marking%20of%20Fundamental%20Mistakes%20in%20Dressage%20Movements.pdf

Too much forward
Advancing for more than 4-5m ; showing half steps = Below 5; lower if travelling even more
Travelling approximately 3 ” 4 m = Below 6
Travelling approximately 2 m = Deduction of 1 ” 2 p.

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I’ve never seen those fundamental guidelines before. They’re very interesting! Thanks for the link.

I was able to find the score, which averaged to an 8. Lower than I thought it was, but the piaffe was also the lowest scoring movement of the freestyle. I think the rhythm was still clear. If I named a problem, it would probably be that it looked a bit labored.

You’re welcome.

I didn’t link the other guidelines but they are mostly resumed in the fundamental one, but they are all on the FEI website.

I wish I could get my hand on a copy of the dressage judging handbook, but at 65CHF /66US$/ 97Cnd$… (yikes our dollar has dropped) Ain’t gonna happen soon.

It’s really the best way to understand how judges decide what score to give - It should be according to these guidelines - I scribed a lot and saw quite a few heated discussions amongst judges when there were scores discrepancies… :slight_smile:

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